Episode 121
Ben Canning : Build a Fitness Community to Stay on Track #WeHackHealth
Ben Canning is a personal trainer and founder and CEO of BC Training. BC Training is a personal training and fitness organization that assists both men and women to reach their desired goals and hit their maximum potential. Ben works with a number of clients worldwide around physical fitness, training, and mental health.
Ben is co-host of the weekly podcast We Hack Health with Dave Kennedy which has started a fitness and wellness movement online with the #WeHackHealth
Transcript
Welcome to the business samurai podcast.
Speaker:I am John Barker with me today, hailing from the Emerald isle
Speaker:commonly referred to as Ireland, Mr.
Speaker:Ben Canning ben is a personal trainer, founder and CEO of bC training as
Speaker:a personal training and fitness organization that assists both men
Speaker:and women to reach their desired goals, hit their maximum potential.
Speaker:Ben works with a number of clients worldwide around physical fitness
Speaker:training and mental health.
Speaker:Ben, as co-host of the weekly podcast, we have helped with Dave Kennedy, which
Speaker:started a fitness and wellness movement online with the hashtag we hack health,
Speaker:go check it out on Twitter and their discord channel, which I'll make sure
Speaker:the links are in the show notes below.
Speaker:They have the second coolest logo by the way, on the internet next to mine.
Speaker:So take a long sip of your whiskey or Guinness, no matter what
Speaker:time of day, you're listening to this and let's welcome, Ben.
Speaker:Appreciate it.
Speaker:Thanks for having me.
Speaker:I think you nailed it.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:I appreciate that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Good.
Speaker:So take a couple of minutes.
Speaker:Give a breakdown of your entry into the fitness space because out of some
Speaker:of the businesses to start, you're one of the trifecta, they always say
Speaker:health, wealth and relationships.
Speaker:So give us the back little backstory.
Speaker:How much detail and how many profundities am I allowed to use?
Speaker:You are allowed to use one profanity, every word.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So for me if we go way back.
Speaker:Before I did what I'm doing.
Speaker:And I realized quite early on that I was highly unemployable.
Speaker:It just didn't work well for working with other people.
Speaker:So I knew that there was needed to be something that I did
Speaker:that was me working for myself.
Speaker:And it's always just fallen into whatever I have been into at the time,
Speaker:fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on what way you look at it, the first.
Speaker:Business, I guess that Iran was providing transport to different nightclubs across
Speaker:the country, which was just an excuse for me to get drunk fade by the seven nights
Speaker:a week and get paid pretty well for it.
Speaker:The shelf life of that was quite short to be honest, because I
Speaker:just couldn't keep up with it.
Speaker:And then after that, I find myself in the gym instead of in the club a
Speaker:friend of mine qualified as a personal trainer and he was like, look, I need
Speaker:someone to do my first ever before.
Speaker:And after I was like I need to stop in a piss every single weekend.
Speaker:So I'm your guy.
Speaker:And I just absolutely fell in love with it.
Speaker:I.
Speaker:At that time worked for someone again, really hated it.
Speaker:And I was like, what they do to get out of this?
Speaker:I had, after my original coach, I had an online coach and I was like this online
Speaker:coaching thing seems like the one like this guys just send me emails every week.
Speaker:Like it seems to be easy enough.
Speaker:So I was like, what they need to do to become an online coach.
Speaker:The first step was obviously become a gym floor coach that gets him for a PT.
Speaker:So I tried in the, I moved into lap started working on the
Speaker:gym floor in December, 2016.
Speaker:And it was always my goal to go fully online by December, 2021.
Speaker:So I'd given myself five years, I guess that was to be fully
Speaker:online off the gym floor.
Speaker:Obviously the recent global shit-show pushed everything
Speaker:about a little bit forward.
Speaker:And from.
Speaker:2020.
Speaker:So I guess two years I've been fully online, which has been
Speaker:the best thing I've ever done.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:How did you have any other like fitness influences in your life
Speaker:to help that career transition?
Speaker:Was it just working in that gym that kind of gave you the experience or
Speaker:is there other certifications and stuff like that to set you apart?
Speaker:So the being qualified as a PT, I don't know if it's the same over there.
Speaker:I assume it's probably something similar the way I describe it as
Speaker:it's almost like adult learning, you just pay for the qualification.
Speaker:So it's like, when you do your driving test, they teach you how to pass
Speaker:your driving test, but they don't actually teach you how to drive.
Speaker:So whenever you get that initial certificate, it's okay.
Speaker:And then you sit down with an actual human in front of you and
Speaker:they tell you this the problems.
Speaker:What peer to the fucking textbook was this on?
Speaker:I don't remember this, but, and so there is a lot of learning from clients.
Speaker:And I think that's the best thing that you can do is just work with a lot of people
Speaker:to get an understanding of how people actually work on what their needs are.
Speaker:But in terms of like other qualifications, there isn't really anything specific,
Speaker:especially over here that is, seemed as a thing as a qualification, but there
Speaker:are like, weekly or bi-weekly courses or, weekends away or physic camps or,
Speaker:education comes from nutrition, things that I've done just along the way.
Speaker:There's my sort of interest is, has moved.
Speaker:The kicker here is, in the United States, the only thing you gotta do is
Speaker:shirtless pictures on Instagram, man.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:You just need to do a photo shoot then you're feeling qualified.
Speaker:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I want to do what he's doing how much, but speaking of that, this is something
Speaker:we haven't really talked before this, other than the the hashtag we have
Speaker:Twitter and you see my weak lifts because I'm always hurt, which we'll
Speaker:get into that a little bit later.
Speaker:But how much has the the Instagram and the tech talks and all of that, nonsense,
Speaker:that's out there fricking ruined, people's attitudes and what they think
Speaker:it actually takes to improve, getting a healthy lifestyle, getting a weight that
Speaker:they like, you don't have to be ripped, but getting, are you, how does that
Speaker:affect when somebody comes to you and says, okay, The the fitness industry as
Speaker:a whole, in my opinion, is a shit show because for that exact reason, because
Speaker:people will post pictures of themselves when they look their best, because they've
Speaker:just done a photo shoot and they've went through absolute hell to get there.
Speaker:And then they try and sell that to you as well.
Speaker:I did this in 10 weeks, so he go I'll charge you X amount of dollars or Pines
Speaker:for whenever that is massively unrealistic in terms of a timeframe and whatever else.
Speaker:And as I've developed as a coach, I have realized that the body
Speaker:and the physique is almost the last thing that you worry about.
Speaker:And I think that's something that's massively overlooked in the
Speaker:start, especially, with the people that I work with is overcoming
Speaker:their sort of mental challenges.
Speaker:And then almost teaching them to forget everything that they know about training
Speaker:and nutrition, because with no disrespect to anybody, they don't come on a call with
Speaker:me because they are in super good shape.
Speaker:You know what I mean, common because there it's a shambles
Speaker:in some way, shape or form.
Speaker:And I call, but I used to do this and I used to do that.
Speaker:And I'm like, we need to forget everything that you used to do.
Speaker:And then we're going to build a, what we do moving forward.
Speaker:And answered your question Instagram tick-tock and social media and influencers
Speaker:on the fitness industry, I guess it's been the best and the worst thing for it,
Speaker:because it's been good in a sense that it has increased people's awareness of their
Speaker:health and fitness, but it has been bad in the sense that it's given them unrealistic
Speaker:expectations because people will come.
Speaker:They're like, oh yeah, yo, I'm going on holiday in six weeks.
Speaker:I need a six pack.
Speaker:And I'm like, okay you need to come to me a year ago.
Speaker:And then we probably,
Speaker:I guess how hard is it to deprogram the people that are getting
Speaker:constantly bombarded with that.
Speaker:Day in and day out.
Speaker:And I'm going to say initially it was quite difficult because
Speaker:it was just me telling them.
Speaker:But one of the best tools that I now have is everybody else in the client group.
Speaker:So at the start of the pandemic originally I started a week a group call
Speaker:because people want the dance director with other humans and whatever else.
Speaker:I'm one thing that I've picked up on that is that, I'm pretty
Speaker:much telling people the opposite of what they're used to doing.
Speaker:So they're like, I need to eat a thousand calories a day and do two
Speaker:hours of cardio and whatever else I'm like, no, we need to not do that.
Speaker:And then whatever.
Speaker:Talent people that they need to start increasing their calories.
Speaker:If they want to lose weight.
Speaker:They're like, I think I've contacted the wrong guy, but if there's 15, 20,
Speaker:25 other people in the group who have been through that process who have
Speaker:overcome those things themselves, they can tell them, just trust the process
Speaker:or, he actually knows what he's talking about, or this is how I dealt with it.
Speaker:And I often, if I'm on an initial consultation calls, I will, I'll
Speaker:try and emphasize the importance of the concrete beyond the me.
Speaker:Cause it's something that I compromised by myself to what I mean.
Speaker:It's everything that from their insights and their perspectives that they
Speaker:provide, that I can't give just being.
Speaker:Yeah, I think that's one of the things that's helpful when you see the online
Speaker:community of these guys putting in the work day in and day out, with the
Speaker:Twitter using that hashtag it's that reinforcement like community reinforcement
Speaker:and, coaching that drives me as well.
Speaker:Cause I'm like, I can't be, everybody I'll just sharing oh yeah, hashtag
Speaker:we Huck, Alison I'm sitting, having beers and we'll feed up.
Speaker:We'll not actually train into them.
Speaker:Like I need to live and breathe it.
Speaker:Like I need to do it if I'm prescribing it.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:I guess that's the difference between you setting the lifestyle versus a diet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You've got to turn it into a lifestyle.
Speaker:People are looking to shortcuts.
Speaker:And speaking of that, when somebody comes to you and they're there, it's kinda
Speaker:like doing the hard work versus looking for cheats, what's that magic pill.
Speaker:What's that supplement, how can I do this without touching a
Speaker:weight, taking a walk outside?
Speaker:How, if somebody.
Speaker:How desperate are they when they actually come to you to want
Speaker:change for them to actually get off their asses and do something?
Speaker:I think, I guess everything's person dependent.
Speaker:A lot of coaching in my opinion is saying it depends.
Speaker:Or does that make sense?
Speaker:So in terms of being a person dependent of the pans, what experience that
Speaker:they've had before, or, what sort of situation that they're in are they
Speaker:the person that is maybe a hundred pounds over wit or are they the person
Speaker:that'd be struggles to put on with?
Speaker:What is their motivation for change?
Speaker:Is it that they're overweight and it's health-related and they're like, I
Speaker:need to fucking do this because if I don't, my doctor says I'm going to die.
Speaker:And I've literally had those conversations before, or is it the similar sort
Speaker:of background that I came from that it's I'm like skinny little boy.
Speaker:Like I meant to be, 30 years of age and I'm skinny here, like cardiac genes here.
Speaker:Like how do I fit into my clothes?
Speaker:And it's a confidence thing.
Speaker:Or it's a, they just want to look and feel a certain way.
Speaker:So the.
Speaker:On what they actually need, but they generally come to me with
Speaker:their own perception of what they think that they should be doing.
Speaker:And we need to just on revel, all that on just literally start from the basics.
Speaker:And I don't have a, I look at you as a person and you've told me that, you're
Speaker:a family motto, you're a business owner.
Speaker:So I fit you into this box.
Speaker:It's what are you doing at the minute on how do we improve on each aspect
Speaker:of those rather than trying to just.
Speaker:Delete all of that and flip the table upside down and go, I need you to
Speaker:do X, Y and Zed, and that's going to get you to where you want to be,
Speaker:because I find over time that the too much change at once is overwhelming.
Speaker:It's hard to monitor it.
Speaker:So if we just look at, the things that we're doing and the things that we can
Speaker:approve on gradually, then you generally have much more longterm success.
Speaker:And for me, what I want to give everybody is an understanding of their body.
Speaker:And what's good for them and high, they can progress in whatever their goal is.
Speaker:So you actually had something I had wrote down is talking about too many
Speaker:changes at once for a lot of people, once I know even some of the stuff I'm
Speaker:going through now, this stuff that, where you've got didn't happen yet.
Speaker:Yeah, whether it's, like you said, you're a hundred pounds overweight or you can't
Speaker:keep it, it didn't happen overnight.
Speaker:So you can't expect you to gain a hundred pounds in six weeks.
Speaker:So you're not going to use it in six weeks.
Speaker:That sounds like a good diet challenge, to be honest with you.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:That would definitely be quick, man.
Speaker:Like I'm a be a YouTube star instantly, and those ones that
Speaker:are like, Hey let's can you eat a hundred thousand calories in one day?
Speaker:I haven't seen that one yet.
Speaker:They're using a 10, but how do you manage, is this a part of trying to
Speaker:gauge a baseline and I'm going to stick it to I in please dive into how you
Speaker:gauge like a mental baseline for where somebody is at as well, since that,
Speaker:that's obviously a big part of this, but do you say, Hey, give me a baseline
Speaker:of, what you do for a week or two, and then we can go from there to start
Speaker:making small incremental adjustments.
Speaker:Is that kind of European.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I guess I'll take it back even further and talk you through like
Speaker:how the actual process of if you book a call with me actually work.
Speaker:So I assume that you have, will have done your research and being
Speaker:on the website, the way the website is not Fremont except burger call.
Speaker:So whenever you click that book a call, it will set up the time.
Speaker:And what that will do is it'll send you an initial questionnaire night.
Speaker:Again, this is something that's been built up over time.
Speaker:That it's quite an extensive question, or because I find that the more that
Speaker:I know the better, so there's maybe I think it was probably 75 80 questions.
Speaker:And that to me is to give me an idea as to what goes on in their general life.
Speaker:Like I interject something into that as well, real quick.
Speaker:I think from a business perspective, if somebody is willing to enter.
Speaker:Seventy-five to 80 questions, a hundred percent, their pain is
Speaker:enough that they want your help and it's not a fly by night thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'm stealing that for some stuff I'm working on.
Speaker:So please continue.
Speaker:Sorry, but that's that is it almost pretty qualifies the person that if
Speaker:they're going to take the time to fill out, I, then they're willing to have
Speaker:the conversation and they, they're in a place that they're ready to meet change.
Speaker:Whereas some people would look at them going fuck that I'm not filling out.
Speaker:I'm like, it's too many questions.
Speaker:Oh, was this guy need to know about whatever it is.
Speaker:So it's quite extensive.
Speaker:It's really extensive.
Speaker:It covers, what they do day to day, who they live with, who is in charge
Speaker:of their food, their shopping their sleep, how many alcoholic beverages
Speaker:they have, how many caffeine caffeinated beverages they're housed, what their
Speaker:training looks like at the minute, what their food looks like at the minute.
Speaker:It's a lot, but that also gives me, our span tough in our 45 minutes before I
Speaker:have the call with him going through that, I'm looking for like red flags or
Speaker:things to, to pick up in conversation and.
Speaker:And generally that gives me a pretty good insight as to, okay.
Speaker:They have been tracking their food for the past three months.
Speaker:So they're already maybe a slight bit ahead, or this person has been
Speaker:training for five years, but hasn't seen any change and it's just like
Speaker:ready to bang his head against the wall.
Speaker:Cause he's not making any changes or it's this person has had the health
Speaker:scare and they've never trended.
Speaker:They've never looked after their food.
Speaker:So the doctors just told them, they need to sort something that's not, and they're
Speaker:coming to me with an absolute clean slate in terms of what they're doing.
Speaker:So that in itself is almost like it starts to allow me to build a picture.
Speaker:Then wherever we have the call, I always preface the call with this is just
Speaker:the sort of conversation versus the, of your question or because you know
Speaker:yourself, if you're talking to someone, you can see them, the answers that they
Speaker:give you, you're slightly different than the ones that they write down.
Speaker:So you just put it into you, just put it into their hands.
Speaker:In terms of the way that I said is that this calls for me to get an idea.
Speaker:What you're struggling with.
Speaker:What brought you here?
Speaker:If I can help on then what that actually looks like in terms of
Speaker:building out a problem moving forward.
Speaker:And I will dependent on the feedback that I'm getting.
Speaker:I will prove them on things in terms of they'll maybe tell me that they want to,
Speaker:I don't have the confidence to take the shirt off whenever they go to the beach.
Speaker:So I'm like, okay, but I want to know why that you want to have that.
Speaker:Like, why do you want that?
Speaker:Is it for you?
Speaker:Is it because someone fucked you often have read you're younger and you've
Speaker:been overweight ever since then.
Speaker:What's the reason why, and then that's, whenever you start to get into the, sort
Speaker:of the mindset side of things, because if you can have an understanding of why
Speaker:people actually want these things, then to get them there, it's that little bit
Speaker:easier rather than being like, okay.
Speaker:Once a six pack.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:This is the plan for that sensitive.
Speaker:And that's it that.
Speaker:That to me is like the perfect approach.
Speaker:Again, going back to somebody is desperate enough that they want the change that
Speaker:they're, that they are looking for.
Speaker:How quickly, does it take to get somebody to, once you get them into the process
Speaker:where they're starting to build up their own steam, they're starting to see some
Speaker:of those changes in there and they're like, Hey Ben let's make this a little,
Speaker:let's make this a little bit more.
Speaker:I like this.
Speaker:It, I imagine that's also probably a happy trigger point for you where you're going.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I'm I know what I'm doing here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm actually qualified to understand what's going on here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's actually funny because on the weekly group call, a couple of weeks ago, one
Speaker:of the guys was saying that he had passed the valley of sorrow as he called it.
Speaker:And I was like, explain that.
Speaker:And he was like when you sign up initially, you have this.
Speaker:Immediate I'm so excited.
Speaker:This is going to change my life.
Speaker:This is the best decision I've ever premiered.
Speaker:And then it obviously takes time for the results to follow.
Speaker:So you go through this say from week five until week 10 or 11, that there's
Speaker:slight changes happening, but you feel like you're putting a lot of effort in
Speaker:and you want more changes and then you go like week 12 and beyond that, you
Speaker:really start to see a physical chance.
Speaker:You feel better, you're sleeping better.
Speaker:Your energy levels are better.
Speaker:All these things are better.
Speaker:And then it's like you said, you're like if I feel good, this good training,
Speaker:three times a week for 45 minutes, what if I were to do four times a week?
Speaker:And then that's whenever it starts to come and you're like,
Speaker:Hey, I want to be a bit more.
Speaker:And then you get into that real positive, should actually feel really good.
Speaker:And then, everything that I look at is beyond just what
Speaker:the physical changes it's.
Speaker:Hi, or their energy on the calls whenever I'm speaking to them or, high
Speaker:they get on at work or, they just, there's a different look about them.
Speaker:And I'm one thing that I always will put back to people.
Speaker:If I'm looking at their check-in foods or whatever, I'll compare their first
Speaker:photos, obviously like the original ones too whatever we grown on, like the chemist
Speaker:tall you're standing, or look at how much happier you look in terms of the smile.
Speaker:So it's, there's a lot that sort of come along with it.
Speaker:But in terms of what you're asking generally, for people to start
Speaker:this actually physically CTN, cause you see yourself so much
Speaker:to see physically see change.
Speaker:I generally find it's about 12 from about 12 weeks on because you're
Speaker:very critical of yourself because you see yourself every single day okay.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You can maybe see where combine or measurements come and
Speaker:dine, but the numbers on the check-in sheet don't mean shit.
Speaker:If you look in the Morocco, I'm actually different.
Speaker:That's an internal motivation dive into this real quick, because I'll let
Speaker:you explain it about the, not just the strict, strictly tracking the weight,
Speaker:that you see on the scale, but also how the measurements are so important to know
Speaker:which type of progress you're making.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:For me, if I could fuck the scale, like the window for everybody, I
Speaker:would, because it's the biggest, it's the biggest hurdle in itself.
Speaker:And I think it I've had this actually have this conversation on a call with a
Speaker:client earlier on it's we have become so ingrained that, when people talk about
Speaker:losing weight, they look at the number because that is what they relate it to.
Speaker:And I'm like, okay, I fully understand it.
Speaker:Like I get it.
Speaker:And they've been brought up and, things like BMI will tell them that
Speaker:there will be space on their wit and whatever else I'm like, that's not
Speaker:taking everything into consideration.
Speaker:So for me again, for anybody who's ever been through the extensive question are I
Speaker:have equally extensive would be check-in sheet that there's I think there's maybe
Speaker:65 points on 65 different data points that cover everything from energy levels,
Speaker:ability to focus, your sleep, your mood.
Speaker:Did you do your gratitude log?
Speaker:Blood pressure, your heart rate variability and all the sort of
Speaker:markers allow me to build a picture of what's going on throughout the week.
Speaker:And then also if the scale doesn't move one week, I can go, okay.
Speaker:You didn't lose any weight this week, but this marker has improved.
Speaker:This is an actual health benefit that you're getting, or you're sleeping better
Speaker:or your energy better, or you're stronger.
Speaker:So from a, if we talk about a physical side of things, like I'll look at
Speaker:photos, I'll look at wit and I'll look at metrics in terms of measurements.
Speaker:And you will find that, they all don't move together, which fucks people
Speaker:up because if I'm losing weight, like where am I measuring this?
Speaker:Or if I'm losing measurements, where are we at not coming down.
Speaker:But I think the biggest sort of teaching point in that is looking
Speaker:at body composition because I've genuinely high clients before.
Speaker:Like when I worked in the gym floor that I've trained them for a year
Speaker:and their, there has literally.
Speaker:Exactly the same for the entire year, but obviously their body
Speaker:composition has still ETN.
Speaker:So being able to talk to themselves, they've been able to detach them from
Speaker:that number is always a big hurdle, but that's why I look at so many different
Speaker:data points, because while it's clear, losing weight or dropping centimeters
Speaker:in your measurements, like if we can look at improvements in how your heart's
Speaker:functioning or your blood pressure, or, your blood work it's way beyond
Speaker:just getting a six pack, like it's actual longevity of life and health.
Speaker:Oh, wow.
Speaker:I, so you actually get into blood work and things of that nature.
Speaker:You may be the first coach.
Speaker:I know that has actually went to that deep as far as having that with check-ins.
Speaker:I'm sure there was probably others, but I've never had a conversation with them.
Speaker:How much do you get beholden to, the fitness trackers and your
Speaker:bootstraps and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker:Is that a good baseline measurement in your opinion?
Speaker:I've done research on it awhile back, but not on newer versions.
Speaker:And I know others that are like.
Speaker:They live and breathe by what the numbers say on the fitness trackers.
Speaker:What's your perspective of, again, it's a bit of a double-edged sword
Speaker:because it's a grit tool because it can give us so many, so much information.
Speaker:Generally they're going to cover your steps or it's going to be able to show
Speaker:you how many calories you burned, or, it's going to be able to tell you your resting
Speaker:heart rate or your heart referrability or whatever it is, which is all great data
Speaker:to have, or your sleep, things like that.
Speaker:Whereas, before.
Speaker:Yeah, you have to use other things like just your time in
Speaker:terms of your I put or whatever.
Speaker:So it's a good tool in that way.
Speaker:What I see as a pretty big problem with it is people will go and do a spin class and
Speaker:be like, oh, I burned 657 calories here.
Speaker:I'm going to go on a 10 donuts because I've just, you're almost buying back the
Speaker:calories that youth you've just burnt.
Speaker:And they live and breathe that part of it.
Speaker:And that's again, that's probably just lack of education in terms of what's
Speaker:actually going on one thing that I'm a big advocate for, and this is just from my own
Speaker:personal experiences, taking a week off the wearable tech and actually having on
Speaker:there sound of how you actually failed, because I used to find that I would, I
Speaker:would wake up in the morning and I'd be like off of grit and then I've checked
Speaker:my up and aura would tell me that, I only have 43% sleep score and I'm like, I feel.
Speaker:Because the office on me that I feel shit.
Speaker:So I do think that why the wearable tech is great.
Speaker:You need to sometimes just check in with your shelf in terms of, and I
Speaker:do have that in the check-in sheet.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:What was your sleep in terms of minutes?
Speaker:What was the efficiency in terms of what the app says,
Speaker:but how did you actually feel?
Speaker:Because there's often a big disconnect in terms of what the two are.
Speaker:And I think, I do often recommend, just take time off from Fitbit or
Speaker:whip or whatever it is, recalibrate yourself, and then come back to it.
Speaker:So again, it depends on the person, but I think that they're a great tool
Speaker:if they're used in the proper way.
Speaker:And you don't get too caught up in the details or the.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, no, I think the gamification aspect of it, if you've got
Speaker:that community is a good driver.
Speaker:For me, right now me and my wife will sit there and we're on the move
Speaker:streak and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker:And it's Hey, I make fun of her.
Speaker:You've only got, you got 10 galleries to go before you cross and get the
Speaker:three rings to the circle across, but it gives it a different type of aspect.
Speaker:And again, it's that community, that community feel that's out there.
Speaker:Do you do any work with competitors at all?
Speaker:Like a bodybuilder strength, training, CrossFitters, any of that
Speaker:type of stuff prepping for that?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I think the, I wore my Arnold shirt for nothing today.
Speaker:Then the the reason that I don't, I used to coach a professional tennis
Speaker:player and the level of detail that you need to go into in terms
Speaker:of what they need as an office.
Speaker:Is so specific and why that's great knowledge to have on.
Speaker:So I'm going to coach professional tennis players for the rest of my life.
Speaker:It's a lot of time to put into just that one specific thing.
Speaker:In terms of like professional bodybuilders, they, how me, the
Speaker:guy that I just mentioned in terms of th the podcasts that we just
Speaker:recorded, like that's his thing.
Speaker:And I think that there's a, there's definitely a lot of
Speaker:wisdom in being able to outsource.
Speaker:So if somebody came to me and they're like, I want to do a bodybuilding
Speaker:show, I'm like, I'm not the guy.
Speaker:Like I can recommend if they're, if three people I can recommend them
Speaker:and able to outsource that I can't be a master of absolutely everything.
Speaker:Things like that, the specifics that you need to go into and the level of work
Speaker:that needs to go into each individual would take away from what I'm doing
Speaker:from everybody else, because I would have to relearn everything about what
Speaker:they need for, if it's bodybuilding, what they need coming up to going into
Speaker:the age, or if it's CrossFit what do they need in terms of like performance
Speaker:or, feel in their bodies or what.
Speaker:No, I, no, I understand that's now like I said, we haven't talked before this.
Speaker:That was actually a lot of my background.
Speaker:I didn't compete actually.
Speaker:It's still a goal.
Speaker:If I can ever stop becoming the walking entry that I am right now is to do a,
Speaker:is to do a physic show at some point.
Speaker:But that's actually was my out of high school with weightlifting.
Speaker:I'm 43, working out with people that did amateur competitive
Speaker:bodybuilding and seeing the massive amount of foods that they ate.
Speaker:And honestly I lived and worked that lifestyle for a period of time.
Speaker:And I do believe it's what caused my injuries particularly
Speaker:with my knee as I got older.
Speaker:Not that we were doing anything that I would think, even looking back on it that
Speaker:was in proper or incorrect, obviously it was just massive amounts of weight.
Speaker:And I put massive amounts of weight on my body in a over a period of time
Speaker:that I just don't think my frame.
Speaker:I think that was part of it.
Speaker:Cause I've always prided myself on trying to maintain proper, edit, form
Speaker:an etiquette in the gym without doing stupid things that you see other people
Speaker:do or teenagers come into the gym and grabbing weight that they shouldn't be,
Speaker:cause that's, that's a big part of it.
Speaker:So I've got that as a goal in there, but I, one of the things I don't, and I don't
Speaker:know if you even tracking any any of the stuff I do loosely track the bodybuilding.
Speaker:We're seeing lots of deaths with steroids at the professional level and then it's
Speaker:coming out more and more that, the, the actors, whether they'll admit it or not
Speaker:to get ready for a role, like you said, in 12 months they've gotten assistance.
Speaker:And I think that's setting up a potentially bad
Speaker:mindset for, kids coming up.
Speaker:They're seeing the, their action heroes.
Speaker:Not look like Bruce Willis did when I was growing up like a,
Speaker:kind of a, just a normal dude, but freaking the incredible Hawk.
Speaker:And I just I'm worried about that setting up the wrong expectations
Speaker:if people are not going to be forthcoming in those discussions.
Speaker:And I just don't know if some of the circles you talk around if
Speaker:that's something you worry about for general public health at all.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've had many conversations and, as.
Speaker:As we spoke just before, like who I train and the people
Speaker:that I work with has massively changed over the past, 18 months.
Speaker:And the more that I moved to coach and more meals and especially coaching
Speaker:more meals in America, the more the conversation comes around TRT and
Speaker:things like that, which is obviously different than, performance enhancing
Speaker:drugs and like going down that street.
Speaker:And I'm happy to have open conversations about that because
Speaker:I have the knowledge for it.
Speaker:Anything beyond that I wouldn't be referring, like I wouldn't
Speaker:be recommending doing, whatever they need to do to get on stage.
Speaker:I do think that is definitely a big part of what's missing because If
Speaker:you think of, even we talk about the competitors academic bit, like Chris
Speaker:Bumstead, easing incredible ship, but we all know how he got there.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:But if I were me starting my training career by eight years ago, if I look
Speaker:at him and I'm like, I can do that.
Speaker:I'd be able to do that.
Speaker:There's no problem.
Speaker:And I think, again, it just comes down to, because it's seen as, I dunno if I assume
Speaker:it's the same over there, but he, because it's seen as a taboo subject, people
Speaker:don't want to have the conversation.
Speaker:So if I decide, okay, I want to get big and become a
Speaker:bodybuilder, I then have to go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:This is what I need to take.
Speaker:And this is what I need to do.
Speaker:And it comes from just lack of education.
Speaker:And I guess one of the biggest things that I've seen when I worked in the
Speaker:zoom Flores is people starting into that too early, like not reaching
Speaker:their true natural potential before going down that street, like CNN as a
Speaker:shortcut on CNN, the more that I take.
Speaker:That bigger I will be when it's not necessarily like that.
Speaker:And again, if we take it back to looking at blood work and looking at blood
Speaker:panels and how your body responds and levels of things, you'd be out and doing
Speaker:it in a healthy way, it can't be done.
Speaker:And I don't follow a lot of coaches and I don't really have many
Speaker:conversations with many coaches.
Speaker:How may I will talk to who is obviously on the road to become
Speaker:a professional bodybuilder?
Speaker:So I have that insight on my former coach, Callum, like he T he coaches
Speaker:professional athletes that's what he does.
Speaker:So following his stuff and having understanding of his process and
Speaker:educating the athletes in terms of what they're taking and how long they
Speaker:should be taken up for an almost like.
Speaker:The way that he moving things is it's about spreading the risk.
Speaker:So obviously with all these things that you take, there, there
Speaker:will be adverse side effects.
Speaker:And what he looks at is instead of pushing things to maximum limits in terms
Speaker:of maximum how much testosterone you can take, he looks at, different like a
Speaker:couple of different compounds on doing like a smaller dose of those things.
Speaker:So we're looking at it from a health perspective, over a broad spectrum,
Speaker:so that you're not like really putting that that much sort of pressure and
Speaker:challenge on what's going on your liver or your heart or whatever it is.
Speaker:No, I agree.
Speaker:And having went back to been to as many shows, I had even been to one, I
Speaker:remember this years ago, a friend of mine was competing in a regional and
Speaker:it was not drug tested, but you could clearly identify after you, you learned.
Speaker:To a degree and you sit there and you're going, Hey, we went across
Speaker:the stage and we were like natural.
Speaker:Nope Nope.
Speaker:I'm not from that.
Speaker:It'd be just because of the, the amount of muscle there.
Speaker:And I said, I'm, here in the U S it is absolutely taboo.
Speaker:Is that unsafe?
Speaker:It's it's it reminds me growing up.
Speaker:It was before it became WWE WWF.
Speaker:Nobody wants to admit it.
Speaker:That wrestling was fake.
Speaker:It was like, hold on a second guys.
Speaker:This stuff scripted out and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker:Bodybuilding in and of itself.
Speaker:And again, like I said, transitioning to medium, where everybody is
Speaker:ripped out of their minds in movies and television shows nowaday.
Speaker:I am a little concerned with the influence that has outside of someone,
Speaker:my age going, Hey doc, I need some TRT.
Speaker:I can't, I'm not sleeping well, I'm, I think it's a, even good dynamic in terms
Speaker:of the conversation, like what clinics on what you guys have available over there.
Speaker:From that perspective, I think is incredible because, you have
Speaker:professionals that can look at it and prescribe and get you back to optimal.
Speaker:And it's not a by, push into those like super physiological ranges that are
Speaker:just absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Speaker:It's how can you get back to function at an optimal so that you can, like you
Speaker:said, sleep better or have more energy or renovate after the kids or, still continue
Speaker:to train or recover or whatever it is.
Speaker:I think that should be talked about more because.
Speaker:I have no I'll talk about it and try and calls and couple of guys that are running
Speaker:CRT, they are we'll openly have the conversation because they almost wasted.
Speaker:They had someone, they talk to you about it whenever they went, then the process.
Speaker:But yeah, I think that, you know what, especially, if you're talking
Speaker:about actors, like what they have to put their bodies through rule
Speaker:the rule in terms of how different they look like that it's definitely
Speaker:something that's not spoken about.
Speaker:And I think you're, again, it just comes down to the influence and the
Speaker:social media and the, I guess the improper expectations that the people
Speaker:and especially younger generation.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And again, it's something that I've thought about for my own health as
Speaker:I've gotten it, hitting that mid forties, mark and I kid you not, man.
Speaker:I've put a beating on myself over the years.
Speaker:I mitigated beating from just gym training and I'm at the point now
Speaker:where let's see blew up the knee twice.
Speaker:Once was from basketball.
Speaker:I just played basketball.
Speaker:Then I had a cartilage chair tear that I can't explain what happened.
Speaker:It just, I wake up one day and I'm falling down just by standing up.
Speaker:So like days can be interesting if I'm there.
Speaker:I can do them.
Speaker:No squatting of course, no way high impact two AC three AC joint
Speaker:decompression procedures from just all the pressing overhead.
Speaker:And then just like just constantly spraying something along that,
Speaker:something along that line.
Speaker:That again, I think it goes back to working out with some of those guys.
Speaker:Massive.
Speaker:I'm talking over 300 pounds doing the bodybuilding thing
Speaker:off season, over 300 pounds.
Speaker:And man, I was right there with them at, let me see at that time
Speaker:period, I was probably 180 5.
Speaker:I got up to two 40 and got nice to two 40 and I was actually like, I'm probably two
Speaker:40 now, but it's like the Oreo in that.
Speaker:And part of that is some of the injury I've been going
Speaker:through for three months now.
Speaker:It's just absolutely stupid nonsense.
Speaker:But some of the other benefits you've mentioned some of the mental, the
Speaker:creativity, do you get a lot of responses where somebody is Hey man, I missed my
Speaker:workout today and now my whole day sucks.
Speaker:I can't, I haven't been able to work at my job because that rush, that
Speaker:endorphin thing is that, it's sure that's some other tangible benefits.
Speaker:Other people.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:May not think about when they're looking at this, if they're only looking at,
Speaker:you want to throw the scale out and it's hold on a second, your whole
Speaker:performance went up across the board, man.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And to know what I mean, as, I don't know whether it's come from the podcast
Speaker:and people actually hear me speak about it or whether things are changing, but I
Speaker:have literally had clients come to me and say, look, I need better mental clarity.
Speaker:What can we do to get that?
Speaker:Like I need to, especially with the industry, you know what I work quite
Speaker:a lot with information security and cybersecurity, so they need to be
Speaker:switched on to what the fuck's going on.
Speaker:Coming to me, I'm like, I need to be focusing better.
Speaker:I need to function better.
Speaker:Like I have this brain fog and I need to get rid of it.
Speaker:It's funny having those conversations because people are almost coming for what
Speaker:the by-product is that they don't usually.
Speaker:And that obviously the, the physical side of it and the teams that is
Speaker:create that comes alongside that.
Speaker:But they're not coming to me with, I want all these things that, that people
Speaker:don't know that they're going to get.
Speaker:So I don't know, like I said, I don't know whether it's people are just
Speaker:changing or it's just because of the information that I've been putting in.
Speaker:I would sit there and say the one thing that when COVID
Speaker:started, I was the gym rat, man.
Speaker:That's so back going back into my early twenties, I was that dude working
Speaker:out those bodybuilder guys in the gym for three hours a night till I
Speaker:finally started getting old enough.
Speaker:I'm like, I got to do some other things.
Speaker:We've got to cut these workouts.
Speaker:We don't, I only need to be in the gym for three hours.
Speaker:And I do, I am not exaggerating when I say three hours a night because I
Speaker:distinctly remember the conversation with the guys going, I can't spend
Speaker:that much time in here anymore.
Speaker:But when COVID started doing the gym build out at the house and
Speaker:the one thing that I always get.
Speaker:I've always said when you're working on a problem and you're stuck on
Speaker:something, go do something else.
Speaker:Go take a walk, stop trying to force yourself to be creative, stop trying
Speaker:to force yourself to find a solution to problem, go do something else.
Speaker:And I have found since I've built the whole gen out, I keep a notebook
Speaker:down there because the most random thing that I'm not thinking about
Speaker:that I was thinking about two days ago that the, it's oh, Hey, dummy.
Speaker:where was this?
Speaker:But but you mentioned the cybersecurity professionals.
Speaker:So talk about how the we hack helped the movement kinda got started.
Speaker:What was the origin?
Speaker:Cause I'm trying to think of when I came into it and honestly I can't
Speaker:remember exactly it's now it just feels like something that I do.
Speaker:I don't remember how it got started, how I, who I was connected to
Speaker:that initially started doing it.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, Hey, hold on a second.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If we take it back to, obviously we fully transitioned it online and then,
Speaker:I'm have no, I'm pretty open about this.
Speaker:Like I started coaching Dave, and to me it was just the F like he
Speaker:contacted me through Facebook.
Speaker:It was just as a fan.
Speaker:Anybody else had contacted me.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden he's got fucking 150,000 followers on Twitter.
Speaker:And he says fucking cybersecurity is Eunice.
Speaker:I'm like, who are you really?
Speaker:What the fuck's going on here?
Speaker:And then from that, just him posting his sort of success, like the, my client
Speaker:base in America grew and grew for people who are doing a similar sort of job.
Speaker:And I think, again, The more I got into it, the more sort of patterns that I
Speaker:could see as to what people struggled with and they are all in the same industry.
Speaker:So they all have similar struggles in some sort of way.
Speaker:And I was like, we need to put this information out.
Speaker:We need to find a way to do this.
Speaker:And it was actually Martin, the guy who I'm going to say takes all my photos,
Speaker:but the guy, the photographer that I use quite often first of all, he said,
Speaker:you should start a YouTube channel.
Speaker:I was like, no, cause I wasn't the one I didn't speak, no, I I it's
Speaker:coming, but I didn't like the, I don't like speaking the book.
Speaker:It didn't like speaking in front of the camera.
Speaker:And I didn't like, cause there's a mic here.
Speaker:It would have freaked me out.
Speaker:I can have a conversation with you all day long because there's a mic and us record.
Speaker:And I would've been like, oh, I can't do that.
Speaker:And then I was just literally having a conversation with Dave one day and
Speaker:I was like, Thinking about starting a podcast, do you want to do it with me?
Speaker:And I was like, he's too busy.
Speaker:Like you might want to do that.
Speaker:And he was like, I be fucking on.
Speaker:And I was like, holy shit, really?
Speaker:So then it just it just came from there.
Speaker:And then we started the podcast.
Speaker:I'm going to say September, August, September, August, last year.
Speaker:Yeah, September, August.
Speaker:And it's specifically just gone from strength to strength.
Speaker:Obviously one thing I'm very grateful of is the presence that
Speaker:the have has on Twitter and social media that's helped us grow.
Speaker:And to me, one of the coolest things about it is, okay, yes, it's great
Speaker:getting on a six pack or whatever it is like I'm in a position.
Speaker:And I, with the information that I'm putting out on the audience and
Speaker:everything is comes along with it, that I can actually help an entire industry,
Speaker:which is a unique position to be in.
Speaker:So I can actually help them with, being more productive at work or, living
Speaker:longer or handling their stress better or sleeping better or whatever it is.
Speaker:And it's a very unique position to be in.
Speaker:And to me it's something that Kim totally out of the blue for that feeling.
Speaker:And somehow I really loved it and it's actually quite good because.
Speaker:If I'm speaking to someone on the initial consultation
Speaker:call, they will have lessened.
Speaker:Generally they will have listened to some episodes of the podcast.
Speaker:So they already have a bit of an understanding this to me
Speaker:and you don't have to have that awkward, initial conversation.
Speaker:And yeah, no, but not even even with that, because it's because
Speaker:of the high stack goes to Twitter.
Speaker:Like I already have, I already know who you are, whereas before I'd have into it.
Speaker:And then you have this total stranger that doesn't know who I am or has
Speaker:never read things that I have.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:They've ever read, maybe read things that I have written, like when I used
Speaker:to post a lot on Instagram or whatever.
Speaker:But I think having heard someone's voice in how they actually are,
Speaker:is entirely different than reading something that they have written.
Speaker:And I think that it's helped me and my business massively and in so many
Speaker:ways that I couldn't ever have a.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And so a little bit about my background, I've been in tech.
Speaker:I did not know.
Speaker:I didn't know, Dave, I've never talked today outside of me sending him stupid
Speaker:gifts on some of his posts online.
Speaker:That's the extent of it.
Speaker:But I've been in, in tech and now just doing consulting and
Speaker:obviously doing this podcast here, but you're not you're not wrong.
Speaker:Having been in the tech cybersecurity field for 20 plus years, it's not
Speaker:known for its physical wellbeing.
Speaker:It's the opposite.
Speaker:It's the Cheetos.
Speaker:The mountain is Cheetos and mountain Dew by the case, man.
Speaker:Again, this is a chemo bite, sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker:But it's it's like, it was almost like a.
Speaker:A Dick measuring contest for want of a better phrase as to another one
Speaker:who stayed up their latest or who was the most drunk or, or whatever it is.
Speaker:And I'm like that, this is the literally the opposite of what you should be doing.
Speaker:And especially from a cognitive function and what they're actually managing and
Speaker:what they're actually trying to achieve.
Speaker:And I was like, we need to change this on a big scale.
Speaker:And actually one of the, one of the cool things that I've noticed recently is at
Speaker:the start, it was a lot of people who were coming to me and they were like, I've
Speaker:spent, 20 years of my focus on my career and I haven't really focused on myself
Speaker:and I need to fix up because, okay, now I'm this super successful person in the
Speaker:business of the company or whatever, how long am I going to live to be able to
Speaker:see this site, there's been a shift in terms of like younger people coming to me
Speaker:like, oh, I've heard you talk about this.
Speaker:And I've already talked about that.
Speaker:And I'm preempting that a little bit and I don't wanna have those health issues
Speaker:and I don't wanna have those injuries.
Speaker:So I want to get on the ball with things sooner rather than later,
Speaker:which is, has been a cool shift.
Speaker:No, I, and that's, I'm trying to articulate.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:That's what I've seen.
Speaker:Because back when I was younger, my whole thing was, I want to break
Speaker:the norm of what the traditional it person was thought of, and I and until
Speaker:I blew out my knee, the first time, I actually was pretty good at that.
Speaker:And I still see people now.
Speaker:As I've tried to, launch the podcast, as well as restructure the consulting
Speaker:and get relaunched from that, for as a new entity for myself or restructuring
Speaker:of the entity that I've got, I still have people come up to me now.
Speaker:And Hey, man, how do you, how what's your work day look like?
Speaker:And I say I'm usually up at five.
Speaker:I immediately start to go to work.
Speaker:I said, depending on when I get a big thing done is when I go work.
Speaker:But I'm like toast.
Speaker:By the time he gets eight o'clock at night, my wife makes fun of me.
Speaker:She's you, it like start your nights.
Speaker:I said, I started my nights before, like 10.
Speaker:I said, I'm in, I'm ready to go lay down at eight o'clock and then I
Speaker:hear people going, oh, I do both.
Speaker:I get up at five and I stay up until midnight.
Speaker:You're an idiot.
Speaker:That's not going to last long.
Speaker:And quite frankly, I don't even know if I believe whatever the hell you're
Speaker:talking about, to be honest with you.
Speaker:But I have that happened probably about once a week where somebody says
Speaker:some stupid stuff like that for me.
Speaker:So that's the reason why I think I really, I liked the movement because it's putting
Speaker:spotlight on a, it's weird to say a specific industry of people that are not
Speaker:cheerfully known for health and wellbeing.
Speaker:And when you're talking about cybersecurity and particularly in
Speaker:this day and age, you're always on.
Speaker:I'm so happy.
Speaker:I don't do any hands on stuff anymore.
Speaker:It's funny.
Speaker:It's funny because there, obviously with things start doing up, like
Speaker:I've been meeting people that haven't seen the wild and Amman guy
Speaker:that I work with is a videographer.
Speaker:And he was just this is where the YouTube thing came about, but he
Speaker:was like talking about flogging and what that should look like.
Speaker:And he's like the last time that we shot a video, you're in the gym floor
Speaker:and we did this thing and it was the majority females and it was all everybody
Speaker:looking pretty and whatever else.
Speaker:And then it was like, what are you up to?
Speaker:And I was like, I work with majority hackers and he was like I was like, yeah.
Speaker:And then told them the whole story.
Speaker:And he was like, and I was like, I don't know why, but it's it's far
Speaker:beyond the thing that I like about it.
Speaker:The most is what I can give back to these guys.
Speaker:And girls is his health on years on their life.
Speaker:It's not necessarily, you want the small waist and a big bomber drop a dress size
Speaker:or some fucking superficial bullshit.
Speaker:It's we can actually, help you live better for longer.
Speaker:In terms of even not even talking about their career and they're high,
Speaker:they're able to function at work.
Speaker:Like January may improve people's blood work.
Speaker:I've had clients come to me and they'd be like, my doctor actually couldn't
Speaker:believe the improvements in my blood work.
Speaker:From the last time I did two nigh, he was like, he was asking me what I was doing.
Speaker:And he said, it's just fucking keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker:And I'm like that to me is code because that's beyond physical teens, like
Speaker:that's number one, something that people generally wouldn't look up, but number
Speaker:two, you, something that will literally allow you to live longer for your family.
Speaker:It's just a great.
Speaker:How hard is it to, this, some I've thought about, luckily my wife is
Speaker:she runs, she uses the gym and stuff like that with some of the clients.
Speaker:Do you get them to turn it into a family affair?
Speaker:Because I know change for one can rub off on the other one
Speaker:or cause resistance in inside.
Speaker:It's not everybody's on the same page.
Speaker:Yeah, I think again, it depends on the person too.
Speaker:It depends on their dynamic, more than anything.
Speaker:But generally I find that if the partner is supportive,
Speaker:the journey is much smoother.
Speaker:Let's say if they're not on, they're like, I'm trying to have my.
Speaker:Tovala Maitland there, having fucking Peters it's difficult.
Speaker:Whereas if they have a, if they have a bit of it on their stand and
Speaker:all that, and they're like, okay, I respect what you're trying to do.
Speaker:And I understand it.
Speaker:Then it's much easier.
Speaker:And some people, I'll get a message being like, oh, my wife wants
Speaker:to know, do you coach females?
Speaker:I was like the majority of my career, I've coached females.
Speaker:And then, know, you're coaching both of them, which is always an
Speaker:interest in insight on dynamic.
Speaker:But yeah, it depends on the person, but I definitely have noticed
Speaker:over the years that if the partner is on board with things, the
Speaker:whole process is much smoother.
Speaker:Gotcha.
Speaker:Do you find that again, I don't, this is something I used to see in when
Speaker:I was going to the gym, let's say like I did for 20, some odd years.
Speaker:It seemed to me that the coaches that were working with other people
Speaker:Eh, they weren't in my mind, you go, you got to ramp up period.
Speaker:You've got that learning period where you're not going to push
Speaker:somebody overly hard, cause you don't want to get somebody so sore.
Speaker:So exhausted.
Speaker:So fricking tired.
Speaker:It's oh my God, I don't ever want to do that ever fricking again.
Speaker:But I would repeatedly see what I considered to be the exact opposite
Speaker:of that, where it's like, they weren't even pushing them at all.
Speaker:And then they'd go take up like cat w my thing was, they were taking up
Speaker:the machines for fricking 30 minutes.
Speaker:Cause they weren't really pushing the clients.
Speaker:Is that, how can you gauge level of effort with some of that stuff to know that
Speaker:somebody is being online that they're putting in the right amount of exertion.
Speaker:I Are you having them track.
Speaker:Reps and sets time and you go in really deep into that type of stuff.
Speaker:Or how do you know they're exerting the correct amount?
Speaker:Yeah, so I'll, and this is stupid because this is completely out
Speaker:of order and I should probably, they just hit me in that's.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's fine.
Speaker:I know, I don't worry.
Speaker:I know how it goes around in circles.
Speaker:It's fine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The so yes.
Speaker:And answer to your question.
Speaker:The biggest challenge that I thought I would face whenever I moved fully
Speaker:online is how can I try and give every single aspect of me being there
Speaker:stood side by side, being remote hi, how can I give everything that I can,
Speaker:if I'm stood there beside you, and is flora put in a remote setting on
Speaker:it, it just comes down to, to, to collection of data and things like that.
Speaker:So in terms of workouts, everybody has obviously they get delivered their plan
Speaker:and the workout, and we will look up, progression of, are you getting stronger?
Speaker:Are you doing more reps?
Speaker:What does that look like?
Speaker:Are you improving in terms of your cardio time or whatever it is.
Speaker:But one big thing that I look at is.
Speaker:Get them to video some of their sets.
Speaker:So yes, I will do it from an exercise execution standpoint, but
Speaker:the other side is I'm like, I know where that is in your workout.
Speaker:If you're like fresh with your t-shirt all on and like you're
Speaker:looking for a long, like you haven't given me enough up until that point.
Speaker:And I haven't actually disclosed that to any of them, but it gives me an insight
Speaker:as to what they're actually doing.
Speaker:And I talk a lot about intensity when I'm on the group calls and things like that.
Speaker:I'm actually one of the main reasons of me traveling next week over to the guys is
Speaker:to show them what intensity in a workout should look like because I can program
Speaker:the same worker for 10 people and they would each performance in a different way.
Speaker:And I think that the intensity of the workout is.
Speaker:It's difficult to teach unless you're visually showing them.
Speaker:And the way I get around it is I talk about it a lot.
Speaker:I also show my own training.
Speaker:Not that they need to train at that capacity and then always see
Speaker:there's the, there's this sort of community internal competitiveness.
Speaker:And everybody is to, they're putting in the chat, like our PBMs are PB and that,
Speaker:and it's good because it'll drive the other people if they want to get onto it.
Speaker:But there's also a lot of support that goes in the group really
Speaker:fucking good job and they'll share their videos and whatever else.
Speaker:So again, where the community aspect comes into it.
Speaker:You ever, do you ever have to kick anybody in the ass for
Speaker:not working out hard enough?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:How do you know what I, I can.
Speaker:I like people to think that they can come through with any sort of problem.
Speaker:But at the same time, I don't like to think that they
Speaker:can get away with anything.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I understand that everybody's human and they'll make mistakes and I
Speaker:forget things and whatever else, but I'm not here to be a babysitter.
Speaker:Like I'm not here to just baby you through the process.
Speaker:If I don't think you're pulling.
Speaker:Literally I will, I'm happy to call people because at the end of the day,
Speaker:you're talking about the people in the gym floor that they, and I've
Speaker:seen this before and it's influence.
Speaker:It's almost that they see that the less that they push them the longer that they
Speaker:will coach them, if that makes sense, which I guess is a smart business model.
Speaker:But for me, I'm quite open with people in the initial conversation and how
Speaker:I was like, it's my job to educate you to the point that you no longer
Speaker:need to work with me, which just is a fucking ridiculous business model.
Speaker:But the biggest thing that I think is missing from the internet on the fitness
Speaker:industry as a whole is an education as to, okay, 10 years down the line.
Speaker:Can I still do the things that you're prescribing me to do now, or how many
Speaker:different phases of things that we need to go through so that everything
Speaker:that you need to know long beyond our.
Speaker:That?
Speaker:No, I just lost the train of thought or the question I had, I
Speaker:should have really looked down.
Speaker:Sometimes I write it.
Speaker:I write that in there.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:If that comes back to me, I'll just shoot that to you later.
Speaker:I'm going to ask, I've got, I got two questions.
Speaker:So like I said, I've been in this kind of the fitness realm for a long time,
Speaker:but I've never been able to get a a clear answer on one particular question.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:How do you know the difference when you're your body really needs a break
Speaker:versus your mind telling you no verse that moment of weakness where your mind is?
Speaker:I just don't feel like doing it today because I know that is
Speaker:something over the years that I've struggled with going, okay.
Speaker:Maybe I'm reaching a point of legitimately overtraining.
Speaker:If I showed you some workout logs and then waking up going,
Speaker:I can't do this today versus.
Speaker:Hey, what's go fricking put on your shoes, go get your rest rafts.
Speaker:Let's fricking go.
Speaker:How what's the best way to identify the difference of that.
Speaker:So you're not injuring yourself.
Speaker:I would say that.
Speaker:If we think about actual overtrain and for general population,
Speaker:they're not going to reach that.
Speaker:You need to be at a certain level, you need to be able to train at a certain
Speaker:level and you need to have put the literal reps in to actually be able to
Speaker:take your body to the intensity, to the Prius of actually over-treating so 95
Speaker:times out of a hundred, if someone thinks they're over-training and they probably
Speaker:not, I'm not saying it's not a thing, and I'm not saying that people can't
Speaker:get there, but you need to be seriously focused, put into your body through
Speaker:hell to actually take you to a point of over-training and my old workouts.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't find it.
Speaker:But I guess this is where it comes down to being in tune with your body.
Speaker:And again, to take it back to what I, the best thing that I have from
Speaker:my own perspective for training and nutrition is an understanding of my
Speaker:body, what it needs when it needs it, what the strip back, when I need to,
Speaker:what the push, whenever I need to.
Speaker:And that has literally just come down to.
Speaker:The past eight years of my chain.
Speaker:And I don't understand I'm working with different coaches.
Speaker:So it's always something that I want to give back to the client.
Speaker:It's not understandment.
Speaker:So if I'm looking at their check-in sheet and they're telling me that they're not
Speaker:recovering, or they're not sleeping, or they're not hungry, or they're, they're
Speaker:just not motivated to train or they're not progressing in terms of their workout.
Speaker:And then I look at the numbers in terms of, okay, hits V's dine hard
Speaker:referrability Stein or resting heart rates up, or, you're not actually
Speaker:sleeping then it's okay, maybe we need to actually, pull things back here
Speaker:for a week and I'm trying to go again.
Speaker:Do we just take three or four days off and do a deal with that way?
Speaker:Or do we just pull it back that you do, the CMI does work, but
Speaker:you just do it at less capacity.
Speaker:And it just comes down to data management, which is funny because
Speaker:this is how I worked before I worked with the people that I work with.
Speaker:And if I talk about data analytics, they're like fucking eyes light up.
Speaker:I fucking love that.
Speaker:Like I'm tracking that all day long, so right.
Speaker:It's just it's one thing that they actually was put back to me.
Speaker:It's the hackers in the information security, like they spent their
Speaker:life hacking at least different things, but never actually
Speaker:understood hacking themselves.
Speaker:And whenever you give them data, it's funny because I'll start with an amount
Speaker:of, this is what your check-in sheet looks like, and this is what we do.
Speaker:And then they come back, like, how did they send them my check-in sheet?
Speaker:And I pulled the data and I look at it on a monthly basis and I look for trends and
Speaker:I'm like, this is what it's all about.
Speaker:It's like, how can we take the information that we have find out what
Speaker:the good days or the good weeks are, and then replicate them to improve on.
Speaker:And it's just a bit having that data and information.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Totally agree.
Speaker:As long as you don't get it analysis by paralysis.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:But I think that's, I think that's a good, that's why it's
Speaker:good to have a second set of.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:That's why it's good to have someone else that up because
Speaker:you can look at it yourself and you can get too caught up in it.
Speaker:Whereas I can look at it from my perspective and I'll pull up
Speaker:your check-in sheet and I can rationalize it a bit for you.
Speaker:You're like, oh that makes sense.
Speaker:That goes right back into a while.
Speaker:I'll make an argument for even a business going, why you need a
Speaker:consultant for instance, you're a coach.
Speaker:It's hold on.
Speaker:I'm not beholden to your internal politics, your internal beliefs.
Speaker:I'm here to give you an objective thing.
Speaker:And if you think that my opinion has value because of previous experience
Speaker:or results somewhere else, you're going to fricking listen to me.
Speaker:And if you don't too many times probably don't want to work with you.
Speaker:What's the point of not sitting around.
Speaker:So I wrap up with, to your question.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's all right, because you said you hadn't been able to get an autopsy.
Speaker:Oh, that was the one.
Speaker:Yeah, because I don't disagree.
Speaker:I don't disagree with you saying that most people won't get there.
Speaker:I would say I would follow probably again, you can take me to my word
Speaker:for it or say I'm full of crap.
Speaker:I believe, I know legitimately I have done that, through training programs
Speaker:before doing either re compositions.
Speaker:And really, arms, I can't lift my arms over my head.
Speaker:I can barely close my hands to make a fist.
Speaker:I have been there more times than I can count over the years.
Speaker:Not recently.
Speaker:I, it's probably been two, two and a half years since I've been
Speaker:at that point because I just keep going in and out of this stupid.
Speaker:I, no kidding.
Speaker:I'm hurting myself in my sleep is what's happening.
Speaker:The reason my, my I've had sleep studies done my watch, my apple
Speaker:watch will sit there and say in my sleep that I have walked 200.
Speaker:50 steps, a hundred steps.
Speaker:And when a sleep study, because I'm mentally subconscious of being hooked up
Speaker:to all the wires, I'm not moving at all.
Speaker:So they're like we can't find anything wrong.
Speaker:And then I'm coming back and I'm all twisted up like a pretzel and doing
Speaker:all kinds of stuff and waking up.
Speaker:And both of my arms are numb.
Speaker:So that's some weird nonsense that I'm going through.
Speaker:That puts me into that orthopedics either.
Speaker:What dream client or nightmare, depending on depending I've made a very good friend,
Speaker:that's an orthopedic PA over the years and they, it's bad when you walk into
Speaker:the doctor's office and the receptionist goes, Hey, John, how you doing?
Speaker:I've been here too many times a year.
Speaker:You've been there for probably a few too many times of which I can
Speaker:sit there and legitimately say some stuff was and other things, or Mr.
Speaker:Andrews if you could wrap it up with this, if there's something again, You're
Speaker:in a highly competitive marketplace.
Speaker:There's lots of people out there and there's lots of people coming out with a
Speaker:lot of preconceptions that we've talked about, at nauseum here, if you could
Speaker:wave a magic wand and make something go away to make your life better, when they
Speaker:come to you, what would that probably be?
Speaker:Be that culture.
Speaker:Because again, it depends, but that culture becomes almost like a cult.
Speaker:So people who do keto will live be like, it's the only way or
Speaker:people who do intermittent fasting.
Speaker:It's the only way.
Speaker:And while I will pass these diets and I'll make from a keto and
Speaker:whatever else, it's the lack of education that comes with them.
Speaker:So it's okay, you just want to eat protein and fat, but why are you doing that?
Speaker:What's the actual purpose of DNR.
Speaker:And I think that, that culture as a whole is.
Speaker:Really messing up people's relationship with food, like really messing
Speaker:people up, releasing superfood.
Speaker:And I agree.
Speaker:That's where the biggest talents comes at.
Speaker:People come and be like, I can't eat carbs because, I saw my mom do this that 50
Speaker:years ago and I'm like fucking out, like where do we even begin with this one?
Speaker:But it's.
Speaker:The, yeah it's just that people believe that this is the way.
Speaker:And the thing that I say about it is it's everybody who says this is
Speaker:right on wrong because keel might be the best thing for that one person.
Speaker:And they have lost a hundred pounds and they faded grit and everything
Speaker:that comes along with semen under my fast and CMF antidote.
Speaker:But it doesn't mean it's going to work for me.
Speaker:And that's, people will have a conversation and be like, oh
Speaker:yeah, you want to lose weight?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I did.
Speaker:Ketosis is what you need to do.
Speaker:And I was like, no, it doesn't really work like that.
Speaker:It's understand what's going on.
Speaker:What's going on with you and how you can build something out that will
Speaker:allow you to have sustainable weight loss or muscle gain or whatever it is.
Speaker:And I think if I could get rid of that culture, it would, it
Speaker:would save me a lot of time.
Speaker:But it would see if it genuinely, I think it is, it's one of the biggest
Speaker:issues that people face because they just are so lost in what to do because
Speaker:they will read one article and the read the next one, a thousand, the opposite,
Speaker:and the read, the next one that tells them something totally different.
Speaker:Again, We're hi, can I process and how can I get this?
Speaker:And to think about it is all of them have some good points.
Speaker:For myself sometimes I'll use faster because, if I relate it back to when
Speaker:I was on the gym floor, if I had a heavy morning of clients and it was
Speaker:working, say 6:00 AM to 1:00 PM.
Speaker:If I didn't need in the morning, I was fine the whole way through.
Speaker:But if I have my breakfast at 5:00 AM by nine o'clock, I was
Speaker:starving and I was pissed off.
Speaker:So I would have used intermittent fasting.
Speaker:I didn't well by telling everybody I was doing at the minute
Speaker:Fosun and the same with, keto.
Speaker:My first, generally my first two minutes of the day will be high protein and
Speaker:high fats because cognitively I feel better by telling people I did keto,
Speaker:but I've taken bits from each one to build out something that's for me.
Speaker:So I think if I could get rid of one thing, it would be dark culture.
Speaker:Back in the days of me not looking at I ate a tub of Oreos I would get that
Speaker:and I would see the people do the same thing and not make any progress at all.
Speaker:They would sit there and think that, oh, I'm doing intermittent fasting.
Speaker:I can legitimately eat anything I want and whatever window they set, whether it was
Speaker:eight hours, four hours, if you want to, you can still eat fucking 5,000 calories.
Speaker:It doesn't take long for that stuff to, to, to add up or the ones.
Speaker:I actually had that conversation recently.
Speaker:I can't have any carbs because.
Speaker:Dude that doesn't, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker:You're eating a tub of butter and three packs of baking.
Speaker:Give me a break, dude.
Speaker:You just sell them 4,000 calories.
Speaker:Some of the things that people say and they're like, even if you've
Speaker:been dying to, I guess you guys have drove there, like slimming world and
Speaker:weight Watchers and stuff like that, they're like, oh no, I can eat a bowl
Speaker:of fruit, but I can't have a blender.
Speaker:And I'm like, what?
Speaker:I can't have a smoothie, but I can eat all of the fruits that I
Speaker:would put in this movie separately.
Speaker:Or oh yeah, I can eat on unlimited pasta and I can eat unlimited potatoes,
Speaker:but I need, half of a Freddo bar.
Speaker:And I'm like, if you tell me I can eat unlimited pasta challenge accepted, like
Speaker:you're ready to see some shit I'm here.
Speaker:Like I'm not going to lose any width.
Speaker:I'm going to get a lot of pasta.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:It's just the stupid rules that people live in de.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, I did that.
Speaker:I just approve a point.
Speaker:Cause I usually fall into the calories in calories out, if it fits your macros
Speaker:type of thing, as long as I hit the the protein number, I personally don't really
Speaker:give a crap how the other stuff typically splits out, per se, that's just me.
Speaker:I found out having done my yo-yoing through the years.
Speaker:But to prove a point somewhat, I was down I was down calories for the day
Speaker:and I fricking ate two Hershey bars.
Speaker:I wake up and I'm a pound and a half down the next day.
Speaker:You can't do that every day.
Speaker:It just it fit the bank account numbers that I was allotted for that day.
Speaker:So anyway, that's my own.
Speaker:Yeah, I think, and again, you've worked that out for yourself.
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Nine times out of 10 calories in versus calories out will work for
Speaker:some people, but the 10% of the people there, it doesn't work for them.
Speaker:They start the bullying.
Speaker:There's something wrong with them and then they need to get down the rabbit
Speaker:hole of back holster and whatever else.
Speaker:And we actually did a podcast, not recently of when calories in
Speaker:versus calories that doesn't work.
Speaker:Because again, I didn't want to misinform people of this is the way to do it.
Speaker:Just eat less than.
Speaker:Your body expands.
Speaker:And then they're like it doesn't work for me.
Speaker:So I needed to give, I needed to give I guess a broad caveat to that as well.
Speaker:It's tough.
Speaker:It's tough because I'm very I guess I have a quite a strong opinion on a lot
Speaker:of things in terms of the industry as a whole, but I also want to contradict
Speaker:myself in a lot of things because then people will start bringing Scott.
Speaker:Doesn't fucking know he's talking about you talked long enough on the internet.
Speaker:At some point you're gonna you're gonna say something.
Speaker:And it's hold on.
Speaker:Three years ago.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Three years ago, I read a post that you wrote on somebody else's Facebook page.
Speaker:And you said, this is the opposite.
Speaker:If you have the time to speak, going through research that and
Speaker:go back up the front office, the internet, they have to time.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:True, man.
Speaker:This is, this has been awesome.
Speaker:Best place for people to reach out to you.
Speaker:The website.
Speaker:No, the website's shit.
Speaker:So if you want to, but if you want to book a call with me, call is the website.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The best place to put your call.
Speaker:BC duct treatment, the best place probably to find me Nye is his
Speaker:Twitter just at Ben counting 87.
Speaker:It's a strange place that I find myself in, but even like Instagram.
Speaker:And so the guy I don't really use as much anymore, just because
Speaker:of the people that I work with.
Speaker:So get me on Twitter.
Speaker:If you want to book a call BC, they'll train on the website
Speaker:and I'm gladly speak to you.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:And I will say really extensive questionnaire.
Speaker:It's a good friction.
Speaker:No, and I agree until the, we hack hashtag we have health.
Speaker:I do recommend if you're looking for a community, a non-judgemental just
Speaker:whatever fits what you're doing, post up there, use a hashtag follow that hashtag.
Speaker:And to be honest with you, I really didn't screw around with Twitter that
Speaker:much until I started doing that now.
Speaker:I'm on it all the time.
Speaker:Thank you for that.
Speaker:You're welcome.
Speaker:I, again, I don't think I had tweeted since 2014 and then David's
Speaker:oh, you ain't go on Twitter.
Speaker:I was like, really?
Speaker:The people still use that.
Speaker:And I'm like, I'm on all the time.
Speaker:It's actually cool because it's a shit show in some ways,
Speaker:but it's called skill space.
Speaker:Definitely, the, that we have called text tag people, some
Speaker:people are doing really cool shit.
Speaker:And even in the discord, like the discords grew and grew on every
Speaker:single day, every single week.
Speaker:So it's cool to see the support that comes far beyond just me to what I mean.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:Building community.
Speaker:That's, you know what this is about having outreach, me,
Speaker:being able to reach out to you.
Speaker:I'll be honest with you.
Speaker:I wouldn't know who you were until this was, I don't know that our paths would
Speaker:ever would have crossed maybe not.
Speaker:I don't know, but now they have, we are, and we've recorded an art
Speaker:of conversation that the world can listen to what a great then.
Speaker:And then they banned me from Twitter.
Speaker:I've never been allowed to record a podcast since your book, my license, man.
Speaker:This has been awesome.
Speaker:Yeah.