Episode 137

How to stick to your fitness and health goals with Ben Canning

Ben Canning is a personal trainer and founder and CEO of BC Training. On this episode Ben and I discuss how to stick to your fitness and health goals. How joining a like-minded community can help keep you on track to reach your goals. We also discuss at length the ins and outs of the fitness industry.

BC Training is a personal training and fitness organization that assists both men and women to reach their desired goals and hit their maximum potential. Ben works with a number of clients worldwide around physical fitness, training, and mental health.

Ben is co-host of the weekly podcast We Hack Health with Dave Kennedy which has started a fitness and wellness movement online with the #WeHackHealth . Go check it out Twitter and their Discord channel, links in the show notes. They have the second coolest logo on the interwebs next to mine.

https://twitter.com/bencanning87

https://twitter.com/wehackhealth

#fitness

#health

#fitnesstips

#workouts

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One of the most popular industries that trends in podcasts and

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social media and YouTube in particular is fitness and health.

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You can't go two clicks without seeing another video on the best

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tips and tricks to lose weight.

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Get better in shape.

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Get stronger.

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Get faster.

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On this episode of the business Samurai podcast.

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My next guest is personal trainer, Ben Canning out of Ireland.

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He primarily focuses on technology and cybersecurity professionals and

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increasing their fitness, healthy lifestyles and making it stick.

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He is co-host of the hashtag we hack health podcast and movement

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that you can find on Twitter and on discord that has taken a new twist

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on creating this healthy lifestyle.

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That Is sharing your progress and sharing your journey in a community

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platform that is very public and getting the support of many others around

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you, of which I also participate in.

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By sharing out pictures of food, prep and pictures of my workout.

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So sit back and listen as Ben and I discuss the ins and outs of

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the fitness industry, the fitness community, and how being part of the

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community can help you achieve your goals and stick to your goals longer.

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The stories told by the people themselves you'll be immersed in a wide variety

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To gourmet popcorn learning how to be a better leader or the personalities behind

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wide variety of skill sets and experiences to be successful in business and life.

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Our aim is to not only entertain, but educate for you to recognize how

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successful tactics and motivations in one industry can help propel you

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forward in your own unique business.

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Sit back, enjoy, and welcome to the business Samurai podcast.

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I am your host, John Barker.

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So take a couple minutes.

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Give a breakdown of your entry into the fitness space because out of some

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of the businesses a start, you're one of the trifecta, they always

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say health wealth and relationships.

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So kinda give us the back little backstory.

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How much detail and how many profanities am I allowed to use?

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You are allowed to use one profanity, every word

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. Okay.

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So for me if we go way back.

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Before I did what I'm doing.

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I realized quite early on that I was highly unemployable.

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I just didn't work well for working with other people.

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So I knew that there was needed to be something that I did

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that was me working for myself.

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And it's always just fallen into whatever I have been into at the time,

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fortunately or unfortunately depend on what way you look at it, the first sort.

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Business, I guess that I ran was providing transport to different nightclubs across

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the country, which was just an excuse for me to get drunk five outta seven nights

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a week and get paid pretty well for it.

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The shelf life of that was quite short to be honest, because I

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just couldn't keep up with it.

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And then after that, I found myself in the gym instead of in the club.

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A friend of mine qualified as a personal trainer and he was like, look, I need

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someone to do a have my first ever before.

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And after I was like I need to stop being a piss head every single weekend.

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So I'm your guy.

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And then just absolutely fell in love with it.

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I.

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At that time worked for someone again, really hated it.

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And I was like what do I do to get out of this?

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I had, after my original coach, I had an online coach and I was like, this online

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coaching thing seems like the one, like this guy just sent me emails every week.

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Like it seems to be easy enough.

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So I was like what do I need to do to become an online coach?

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The first step was obviously become a gym floor coach, like a gym floor PT.

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So I tried in that, I moved into that started working on

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the gym floor in December, 2016.

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And it was always my goal to go fully online by December, 2021.

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So I'd given myself five years, I guess that was to be fully

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online, off the gym floor.

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Obviously the recent global shit show pushed everything that little bit forward.

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And from March.

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2020, at least.

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So I guess two years I've been fully online, which has been

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the best thing I've ever done.

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Awesome.

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How did you have any other like fitness influences in your life

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to help that career transition?

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Was it just working on that gym that kind of gave you the experience or

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is there other certifications and stuff like that to set you apart?

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So the being qualified as a PT, I don't know if it's the same over there.

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I assume it's probably something similar.

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The way I describe it is it's almost like adult learning, you

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just pay for the qualification.

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So it's like, when you do your driving test, they teach you how to pass

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your driving test, but they don't actually teach you how to drive.

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So whenever you get that initial certificate, it's like, like, okay.

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And then you sit down with an actual human in front of you and they

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tell you this the problems and you.

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What kids with the fucking textbook was this on?

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I don't remember this, but so there is a lot of learning from clients.

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And I think that's the best thing that you can do is just work with a lot of

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people to get an understand of how people actually work on what their needs are.

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But in terms of like other qualifications, there isn't really anything specific,

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especially over here that is seen as a deemed as a qualification, but there

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are like, weekly or, biweekly courses or, weekends away or physics camps or,

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education camps or nutrition, things that I've done just along the way there, my

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sort of interest is, has moved along.

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Well,

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the kicker here is, in the United States, the only thing you gotta

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be do is shirtless pictures on

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Instagram you instantly qualified.

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Yeah.

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That's the scene.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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that's it.

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You just needed to photo shoot, then you're fully qualified.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Yeah.

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I wanna do what he's doing or she's doing how

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much, but speaking of that, this is something we haven't really talked

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before this, other than the hashtag we hack Twitter and you see my week lifts

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because I'm always hurt, which we'll get into that, a little bit later.

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But how much has the the Instagram and the tos and all of that, nonsense, that's out

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there fricking ruined, people's attitudes and what they think it actually takes

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to improve, getting a healthy lifestyle, getting a weight that they like.

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You don't have to be ripped, but getting, are you, how does that affect when

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somebody comes to you and says, help me.

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Help me,

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the the fitness industry as a whole, in my opinion, is a shit show.

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Because of, for that exact reason, because people will post pictures of

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themselves when they look their best.

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Cuz they've just done a photo shoot and they've went through

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absolute hell to get there.

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And then they try and sell that to you as in I did this in 10 weeks, so

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here you go, like I'll charge you X amount of dollars or pounds for it.

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Whenever that is massively unrealistic in terms of a timeframe and whatever else.

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And as I've developed as a coach, I have realized that body and

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the physique is almost the last thing that you worry about.

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And I think that's something that's massively overlooked in the

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start, especially, with the people that I work with is overcoming

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their sort of mental challenges.

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And then almost like F.

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Teaching them to forget everything that they know about training and

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nutrition, because with no disrespect to anybody, they don't come on a call with

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me cuz they are in super good shape.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They come because they're, it's a shamble in some way, shape or form.

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And they're like, oh, but I used to do this and I used to do that

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and I'm like, we need to forget everything that you used to do.

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And then we're gonna build out, what we do moving forward.

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So it answered your question Instagram and TikTok and social media and influencers

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and the fitness industry, I guess it's been the best and the worst thing for it

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because it's been good in a sense that it has increased people's awareness of

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their health and fitness, but it has been bad in the sense that it's given

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them unrealistic expectations because people will come in and be like, oh yeah,

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you I'm going on holiday in six weeks.

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So I need a six pack and I'm like, okay, you need to come to me a year ago

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and then we probably need you there.

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the, I guess the, how hard is it to deprogram the people that are getting

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constantly bombarded with that.

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Day in and day out.

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I'm gonna say initially it, it was quite difficult because it was

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just me telling them, but one of the best tools that I now have is

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everybody else in the client group.

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So at the start of the pandemic originally I started a weekly group

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call because people wanted the director with other humans and whatever else.

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And one thing that I've picked up on that is that, I'm pretty

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much telling people the opposite of what they're used to doing.

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So they're like, I need to eat a thousand calories a day and do two

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hours of cardio and whatever else I'm like, no, we need to not do that.

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And then whenever I'm.

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Telling people that they need to start increasing their calories.

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If they wanna lose weight.

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They're like, I think I've contacted the wrong guy.

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but if there's 15, 20, 25 other people in the group who have been through

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that process who have overcome those things themselves, they can tell

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him, just trust the process or, he actually knows what he's talking

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about, or this is how I dealt with it.

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And I often, if I'm on initial consultation calls, I will, I'll

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try and emphasize the importance of the client group beyond me.

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Cuz it's something that I can't provide by myself.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's everything that from their insights and their perspectives

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that, that they provide that I can't give just being a coach.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's one of the things that's helpful when you see the online

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community, these guys putting in the work day in and day out, with the Twitter using

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that hashtag it's that reinforcement that community reinforcement, coaching by.

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And that drives me as well.

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Cause you know, I'm like, I can't be, everybody I'll, just sharing oh

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yeah, hashtag we hack golf and I'm sitting, having beers and with feed

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up and not actually train into it.

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I'm like, I need to live and breathe it.

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Like I need to do it if I'm prescribing it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I

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guess that's the difference between you setting the lifestyle versus a diet.

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Yeah.

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You've gotta turn it into a lifestyle.

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People are looking the shortcuts.

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And speaking of that, when somebody comes to you they're, it's like

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doing the hard work versus looking for cheats, what's that magic pill.

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What's that supplement, how can I do this without touching a

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weight, taking a walk outside?

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How, if somebody is.

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How desperate are they when they actually come to you to want change

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for them to actually get off out their asses and do something?

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I think, I guess everything's person dependent.

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A lot of coaching in my opinion is saying it depends.

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Or does that make sense?

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So in terms of being it person dependent, it depends what experience

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that they've had before, or, what sort of situation that they're in.

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Are they the person that is maybe a hundred pounds over wit or are they the

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person that maybe struggles to put on.

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What is their motivation for change?

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Is it that they're overweight and it's health related and they're like, I

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need to fucking do this because if I don't, my doctor says I'm gonna die.

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And I've literally had those conversations before, or is it the similar sort

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of background that I came from that it's I'm like skinny little boy.

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Like I'm meant to be, 30 years of age and I'm skinny here.

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Like how do I, change here?

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Like how do I fit into my clothes?

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And it's a confidence thing.

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Or it's a, they just wanna look and feel a certain way.

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So it depends.

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On what they actually need, but they generally come to me with

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their own perception of what they think that they should be doing.

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And we need just UN, unravel all that and just literally start from the basics.

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And I don't have a, I look at you as a person and you've told me that, you're

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a family man, or you're a business owner, so I fit you into this box.

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It's what are you doing at the minute?

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And how do we improve on each aspect of those rather than trying to just

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delete all of that and flip the table upside down and go, right?

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I need you to do X, Y, and Z, and that's gonna get you to where you wanna be,

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because I find over time that the too much change at once is overwhelming.

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It's hard to manage.

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So if we just look at, the things that we're doing and the things that we can

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improve on gradually, then you generally have much more long term success.

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And for me, what I want to give everybody is an understanding of their body and

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what's good for them and how they can progress in whatever their goal is.

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So you actually hit something I had wrote down is talking about too many

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changes at once for a lot of people.

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It, once I know even some of the stuff I'm going through now, this, the stuff that,

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where you've got didn't happen overnight.

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Yeah.

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Whether it's, like you said, you're a hundred pounds overweight

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or you can't keep, it didn't happen overnight, so you can't

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expect it.

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Yeah.

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You didn't gain a hundred pounds in six weeks, so you're

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not gonna use it in six weeks.

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That sounds like a good diet challenge to do for YouTube.

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To be honest with you I'm gained.

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Yes.

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That would definitely be quick bit like I'm would be a YouTube star instantly.

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those ones that are like, Hey let's can you eat a hundred

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thousand calories in one day?

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I haven't seen that one yet.

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They're using in 10 , but how do you manage, is this a part of.

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Trying to gauge a baseline and I'm gonna stick it to, I, and please dive into

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how you gauge like a mental baseline for where somebody's at as well.

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Since that, that's obviously a big part of this, but do you of say,

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Hey, gimme a baseline of, what you do for a week or two, and then we

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can of go from there to start making small incremental adjustments.

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Is that kind of your approach?

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Yeah.

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So I guess I'll take it back even further and talk you through like

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how the actual process of, if you pick a call with me actually works.

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So I assume that you will have done your research and been on

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the website the way the website is not very much except burger call.

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So whenever you click that book a call, it will set up the time.

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And what that will do is it'll send you out an initial questionnaire.

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Now, again, this is something that's been built up over time.

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That it's quite an extensive question because I find that the more that I

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know the better, so there's maybe I think there's maybe 75 80 questions.

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And that to me is to give me an idea as to nice what goes on in their general life.

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Can I interject something into that as well?

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Real quick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think from a business perspective, if somebody is willing to.

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75 to 80 questions, a hundred percent.

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Their pain is enough that they want your help and it's not a fly by night thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I'm filling that for some stuff I'm working on.

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So please continue.

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Sorry for interrupt.

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But

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that's the, that, that is it almost, pre-qualifies the person that if

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they're gonna take the time to fill out, then they're willing to have the

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conversation and they, they're in a place that they're ready to make change.

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Whereas some people would look at them and be like, fuck

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that I'm not filling that in.

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Like it's too many questions like, oh, is this guy need

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to know about whatever it is.

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So it's quite extensive.

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It's really extensive.

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It covers, what they do day to day, who they live with, who is in charge of their

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food, their shopping their sleep, how many alcoholic beverages they have, how many

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caffeine beverages they have, like what their training looks like at the minute,

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what their food looks like at the minute.

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It's a lot, but that also gives me, I'll spend half an hour, 45 minutes before I

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have a call with them going through it.

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I'm looking for like red flags or things to, to pick up in, in conversation.

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And generally that gives me a pretty good insight as to, okay.

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They have been tracking their food for the past three months.

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So they're already maybe a slight bit ahead, or this person has

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been training for five years, but hasn't seen any change.

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And it's just like ready to bang his head against the wall, cuz he is not making

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any changes or it's this person has had the health scare and they've never trained

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or they've never looked after their food.

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So the doctors just told them, they need to sort something else night and they're

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coming to me with an absolute clean slate in terms of what they're doing.

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So that in itself is almost like it starts to allow me to build a picture.

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Then whenever we have the call, I always preface the call with this is

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just the sort of conversation first of your questionnaire, because you know

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yourself, if you're talking to someone, you can see them, the answers that

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they give you are slightly different than the ones that they write down.

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So you just put it into you, just put it into their hands.

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In terms of the way that I said is I look this calls for me to get an idea of.

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What you're struggling with, what brought you here?

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If I can help.

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And then what that actually looks like in terms of building

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out a plan moving forward.

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And I will, depending on the feedback that I'm getting, I will probe them on

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things in terms of they'll maybe tell me that they want to, I dunno, have

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the confidence to take their shirt off whenever they go to the beach.

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I'm like, okay.

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But I wanna know why that you want to have that.

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Like, why do you want that?

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Is it for you?

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Is it because someone fucked you off and over, you were younger and you've

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been overweight ever since then.

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What's the reason why.

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And then that's, whenever you start to get into the, sort of the mindset

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side of things, because if you can have an understanding of why people

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actually want these things, then to get them there, it's that little bit

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easier rather than being like, okay.

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Once a six back.

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Perfect.

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This is the plan for that.

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Send it to him.

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That's it?

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That.

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That to me is like the perfect approach.

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Again, going back to somebody's desperate enough that they want the change

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that they're, that they are looking for, how quickly it, does it take

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to get

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somebody to, once you get them into the process where they're starting to build

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up their own steam, they're starting to see some of those changes in there and

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they're like, Hey Ben let's make this a little, let's make this a little bit more.

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I like this.

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Is I imagine that's also probably a happy trigger point for you where you're going.

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All right.

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I know what I'm doing here.

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I'm actually qualified.

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I understand.

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What's going on here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's actually funny cuz on the weekly group called a couple of weeks ago, one

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of the guys was saying that he had passed the value of sorrow as he called it.

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And I was like, explain that.

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And he was like when you sign up initially, you have this like.

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immediate, like I'm so excited.

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This is gonna change my life.

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This is the best decision I've ever made.

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And then it obviously takes time for the results to follow.

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So you go through this say from week five until week 10 or 11, that there's

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slight changes happening, but you feel like you're putting a lot of

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effort in and you want more changes.

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And then you go like week 12 and beyond you really start to see a physical change.

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You feel better, your sleeping better, your energy levels are better.

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All these things are better.

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And then it's like you said, you're like if I feel good, this good training,

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three times a week or 45 minutes, what if I were to do four times a week?

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And then that's whenever it starts to come and you're like, eh, I wanna be bit more.

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And then you get into that real positive, should actually feel really good.

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And then, everything that I look at is beyond just what the physical change is.

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It's.

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How are their energy on the calls whenever I'm speaking to them or, how are

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they getting on at work or, they just, there's a different look about them.

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And one thing that I always will put back to people, if I'm looking at their

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checking photos or whatever, I'll compare their first photos, obviously like the

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original ones to like, whatever week run.

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I'm like, like how much tall you're standing or look at how much happier

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you'd look in terms of the smile.

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So it's, there's a lot to come along with it.

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But in terms of what you're asking generally, for people to start

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this actually physically see change, cuz you see yourself so

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much to physically see change.

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I generally find it's about 12 from about 12 weeks on because

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you're very critical of yourself.

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Cause you see yourself every single day okay.

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Yes.

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You can maybe see whip come down or measurements coming down, but the numbers

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on the check in sheet don't mean shit.

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If you can't look at them around and go, I'm actually different, right?

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That's that internal motivation dive into this real

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quick, because I'll let you explain it about the, not just strictly

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tracking the weight, that you see on the scale, but also how the

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measurements are so important to know which type of progress you're making.

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Yeah.

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For me, if I could fuck the scale, like the window for everybody, I

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would, because it's the biggest, it's the biggest hurdle in itself.

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And I think it I've had this actually had this conversation on a call with the

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client earlier on it's we have become so ingrained that, When people talk about

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losing weight, they look at the number because that is what they relate it to.

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And I'm like, okay, I fully understand it.

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Like I get it.

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And they've been brought up and, things like BMI will tell them that

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they're obese based on their weight and whatever else I'm like, that's not

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taking everything into consideration.

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So for me, again, for anybody who's ever been through the extensive

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questionnaire, I have an equally extensive weekly check-in sheet that

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there's I think there's maybe 65 points on 65 different data points that cover

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everything from energy levels, ability to focus, your sleep, your mood.

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Did you do your gratitude log?

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Your.

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Blood pressure, your heart rate variability and all these sort of

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markers allow me to build a picture of what's going on throughout the week.

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And then also if the scale doesn't move one week, I can go, okay.

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You didn't lose any weight this week, but this marker has improved.

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This is an actual health benefit that you're getting, or you're sleeping better

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or your energy better, or you're stronger.

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So from a, if we talk about a physical side of things, like I'll look at

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photos, I'll look at weight and I'll look at metrics in terms of measurements.

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And you will find that, they all don't move together, which fucks

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people up because they're like if I'm losing weight, like why are

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my measurements not coming down?

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Or if I'm losing measurements, why is my weight not coming down?

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But I think the biggest sort of teaching point in that is,

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is looking up body composition.

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Cause I've genuinely had clients before.

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Like when I worked in the gym floor that.

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I trained them for a year and their weight has literally stayed exactly the same

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for the entire year, but obviously their body composition has totally changed.

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So being able to detach themselves, being able to detach them from

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that number is always a big hurdle.

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But that's why I look at so many different data points because while it's cool,

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losing weight or drop and centimeters in your measurements, like if we can

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look at improvements in how your heart's functioning or your blood pressure, or,

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your blood work, like the, it's way beyond just getting a six pack, like it's actual

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longevity of life and health benefits.

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Oh, wow.

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I, so you actually get into blood work and things of that nature.

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You may be the first coach.

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I know that has actually went to that deep.

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Yeah.

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As far as having that with check-ins, I'm sure there's probably others, but

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I've never had a conversation with them.

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How much do you get beholden to, the fitness trackers and your woo

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straps and all that kind of stuff?

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Is that a good baseline measurement in your opinion?

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I've done research on it a while back, but not on newer versions.

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And I know others that are like.

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, they live and breathe by what the numbers say on the fitness trackers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What's your perspective of again it's a bit of a double edged sword because

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it's a grit tool because it can give us so many, so much information.

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Generally they're gonna cover your steps or it's gonna be able to show you

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how many calories you burnt, or, it's gonna be able to tell you your rest and

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heart rate or your heart referability or whatever it is, which is all great data

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to have, or your sleep, things like that.

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Whereas, before.

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It, you have to use other things like just, time in terms

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of your output or whatever.

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So it's a good tool in that way.

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What I see as a pretty big problem with it is people will go and do a spin class

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and be like, oh, I burnt 657 calories here and gonna go on eight, 10 donuts

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because I've just, you're almost buying back the calories that you've just burnt.

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And they live and breathe that part of it.

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And that's again, it's probably just lack of education in terms of what's actually

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going on one thing that I'm a big advocate for, and it, this is just a it's from my

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own personal experience is taking a week off the wearable tech and actually have

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an understand of how you actually fail.

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Because I used to find that I would, would wake up in the morning

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and I'd be like, I feel great.

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And then I'd check my up and, or would tell me that, I'd

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only had 43% sleep score.

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I'm like, I feel shit.

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Because the app is telling me that I feel shit.

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So I do think that while the wearable tech is great, you need to sometimes just

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check in with your shelf in terms of, and I do have that in the checkin sheet.

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It's okay, what was your sleep in terms of minutes?

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What was the efficiency in terms of what the app says,

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but how did you actually feel?

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Because there's often a big disconnect in terms of what the two are.

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And I think, I do often recommend just take time off from Fitbit or

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whip or whatever it is, recalibrate yourself and then come back to it.

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So again, it depends on the person, but I think that they're great tool

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if they're used in the proper way.

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And you don't get too caught up in the details or the menu of it.

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Oh, yeah, no,

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I I think the gamification aspect of it.

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Yeah.

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If you've got that community is a good driver.

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For me, right now me and my wife will sit there and we're on the move

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streak and all that kind of stuff.

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And it's Hey, I make fun of her.

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You've only get, you got 10 calories to go before you cross and get

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the three rings the circle across.

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But it gives it a different type of aspect.

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And again, it's that community, that community feel that's out there.

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Do you do any work with competitors at all?

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Bodybuilder strength, training CrossFiters any of that type

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of stuff prepping for that?

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No.

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No.

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I think the,

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I wore my Arnold shirt for nothing today then.

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Thank you.

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the,

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The reason that I don't, I used to coach a professional tennis player and

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the level of detail that you need to go into in terms of what they need as an.

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is so specific and why it's great knowledge to have, unless I'm

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gonna coach professional tennis players for the rest of my life.

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It's a lot of time to put into just that one specific thing.

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In terms of like professional body builders, they help me, the guy

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that I just mentioned in terms of the podcast that we just recorded.

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Like , that's his thing.

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And I think that there's a, there's definitely a lot of

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wisdom in being able to outsource.

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So if somebody came to me and they're like, I wanna do a body building

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show, I'm like, I'm not the guy.

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Like I can recommend I have two or three people I can recommend

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I'm being able to outsource that.

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I can't be a master of absolutely everything.

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Things like that the specifics that you need to go into and the level

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of work that needs to go into each individual would take away from

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what I'm doing from everybody else.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Cause I would have to relearn everything about what they need for, if it's

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bodybuilding, what they need, coming up to going into stage, or if it's CrossFit what

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do they need in terms of like performance or, fuel in their bodies or whatever else.

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No, I, no, I understand that's and now I, like I said, we

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haven't talked before this.

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That was actually a lot of my background.

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I didn't compete actually.

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It's still a goal.

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If I can ever stop becoming the walking entry that I am right now is to do a,

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is to do a physics show at some point.

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But that's actually was my outta high school with weight lifting.

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I'm 43 working out with people that did amateur competitive

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body building and seeing the massive amount of foods that they

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ate.

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Yeah.

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And honestly I lived and worked that lifestyle for a period of time and it, I

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do believe it's what caused my injuries particularly with my knee as I got older.

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Not that we were doing anything that I would think, even looking back on it

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that was improper or incorrect, obviously it was just massive amounts of weight.

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And I put massive amounts of weight on my body in a, over a period of time

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that I just don't think my frame could.

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I think that was part of it.

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Cuz I've always prided myself on trying to maintain proper ed, form and

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etiquette in the gym without doing stupid things that you see other people do or

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teenagers come in the gym and grabbing weight that they shouldn't be, yeah.

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Cause that's a, that's a big part of it.

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So I've got that as a goal in there, but I, one of the things I don't, and I don't

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know if you even track any of the stuff I do loosely track the body building.

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We're seeing lots of deaths with steroids at the professional level and then it's

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coming out more and more that, the actors, whether they'll admit it or not

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to get ready for a role, like you said, in, in 12 months they've got assistance.

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And I think that's setting up a potentially bad

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mindset for, kids coming up.

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They're seeing the, their action heroes, Not look like Bruce Willis

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did when I was growing up, like a kind of a, just a normal dude.

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Yeah.

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But freaking the incredible Hulk.

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And I just I'm worried about that setting up the wrong expectations

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if people are not gonna be forthcoming in those discussions.

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And I just don't know if some of the circles you talk around if

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that's something you worry about for general public health and at all.

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Yeah.

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I've had many open conversations and, as.

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As we spoke just before, like who I train and the people

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that I work with has massively changed over the past, 18 months.

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And the more that I move to coaching more meals and especially coaching

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more meals based in America, the more the conversation comes around T RT and

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things like that, which is obviously different than, performing enhancing

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drugs and like going down that street.

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And I'm happy to have open conversations about that because

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I have the knowledge for it.

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Anything beyond that I wouldn't be referring, like I wouldn't be

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recommending doing, whatever they need to do to get onto the edge.

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I do think that is definitely a big part of what's missing because, If

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you think of, even we talk about the competitors at the Olympic, like Chris

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stead, he's in incredible shape, but yep.

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We all know how he got there.

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Do you know what I mean?

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But if I were me starting out my training career by eight years ago, if I look

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at him and I'm like I can do that.

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There's, I'd be able to do that.

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There's no problem.

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And I think, again, it just comes down to, because it's seen as, I don't know

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if I assume it's the same over there, but because it's seen as a taboo subject,

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people don't wanna have the conversation.

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So if I decide, okay, I wanna get big and become a bodybuilder, I then have to go.

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Okay.

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This is what I need to take.

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And this is what I need to do.

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And it comes from just lack of education.

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And I guess one of the biggest things that I've seen when I worked on the

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zoom floor is people starting into that too early, like not reaching their true

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natural potential before going down that street, like seeing it as a shortcut

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and seeing it, the more that I take.

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The bigger I will be when it's not necessarily like that.

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And again, if we take it back to looking at blood work and looking at blood

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panels and how your body responds and levels of things you'd be at and doing

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it in a healthy way it can be done.

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And I don't follow a lot of coaches and I don't really have many conversations

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with many coaches, how many I will talk to who is obviously on the road

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to become a professional body builder.

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So I have that insight and my former coach Callum, like he, he

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coaches professional athletes, like that's what he does.

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So following his stuff and have an understand of his process and

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educating the athletes in terms of what they're taking and how

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long they should be taken up for.

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And almost the way that he's moving things is it's about spreading the risk.

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So obviously with all these things that you take, there, there

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will be adverse side effects.

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And what he looks at is instead of pushing things to maximum limits in

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terms of max out, how much test you can take, he looks at, different like a

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couple of different compounds and doing like a smaller dose of those things.

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So we're looking at it from a health perspective, over a broad spectrum,

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so that you're not like really putting that that much sort of pressure and

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challenge on what's going on your liver or your heart or whatever it is.

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No, I agree.

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And having went back to been to as many shows I had even been to one.

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I remember this years ago, a friend of mine was competing in

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a regional and it was not drug tested, but you could clearly,

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identify after you, you learn an eye.

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To a degree and you sit there and you're going, Hey, we went across

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the stage and we were like natural.

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Nope Nope.

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Yeah.

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Natural be just because of the, the amount of muscle there.

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And like I said, I'm, here in the us, it is absolutely taboo.

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It's that UN it's

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It's it reminds me growing up before it became WW WWF.

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Nobody wanted admit that rustling was fake yeah.

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You It's hold on a second guys.

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This stuff's scripted out and all this kind of stuff.

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Body building in and of itself.

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And I, and again, like I said, transitioning to medium where everybody

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is ripped out their minds in movies and television shows nowaday a, I am

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a little concerned on the influence that has outside of someone, my age

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going, Hey doc I need some T R T I can't, I'm not sleeping well, I'm, I'm,

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I think it's, even to go down that route in terms of the conversation, like what

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clinics and what you guys have available over there from that perspective, I

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think is incredible because, you have professionals that can look at it and

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prescribe and get you back to optimal.

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And it's not about, push into those like super physiological ranges that

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are just absolutely fucking ridiculous.

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It's about how can you get back to function or optimal so that you can,

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like you said, sleep better or have more energy or run about after the

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kids or, still continue to train in or recover or whatever it is.

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So I think that should be talked about more because.

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I have no I'll talk about it in client calls and, couple of guys that are

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running TRT, they are, will openly have the conversation because they almost wish

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that they had someone to talk to about it whenever they went down the process.

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But yeah, I think that, you know what, especially, know, if you're talking

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about actors, what they have to put their bodies through rule the rule in

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terms of how different they look like.

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Sure.

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That it's definitely something that's not spoken about.

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And I think you're, again, it just comes down to the influence and the social

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media and the, I guess the improper expectations that the people and

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especially younger generation will have.

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Yeah.

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And

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again, it's something that I've thought about for my own health

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as I've gotten, hitting that mid forties, mark and I kid you not, man.

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I've put a beating my, on myself over the years, an unmitigated

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beating from just gym training.

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And I'm at the point now where let's see blew out the knee twice, once was from

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basketball, used to play basketball.

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Then I had a carless chair that I can't explain what happened.

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It just, I wake up one day and I'm falling down just by standing up.

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So leg days can be interesting if, and when I can do them.

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No squatting of course, no way high impact two AC three AC joint

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decompression procedures from just all the pressing overhead.

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Yeah.

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And then just like

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just constantly spraying something along that, something along that line.

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That, again, I think it goes back to working out with

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some of those guys that were.

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Massive.

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I'm talking over 300 pounds doing the body building thing

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off season, over 300 pounds.

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And man, I was right there with them at

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Let me see at that time period, I was probably 180 5 and got up to

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two 40 and got up to two 40 and I was actually like, I'm probably two 40 now,

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but it's like the Oreo different three 40 . And that,

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and part of that is some of the injury I've been going

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through for three months now.

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It's just absolutely stupid nonsense.

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But some of the other benefits you mentioned is some of the mental, the

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creativity, do you get a lot of responses where somebody's Hey man I missed my

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workout today and now my whole day sucks.

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I can't, I haven't been able to work at my job because that rush, that

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endorphin thing is that, I'm sure that's some other tangible benefits.

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Other people.

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Yeah, for sure.

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May not

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think about when they're looking at this, if they're only look, you won't throw

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the scale out and it's hold on a second.

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Your whole performance went up across the

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board, man.

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Yeah.

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And do you know what as I don't know whether it's come from the podcast and

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people actually hear me speak about it or whether things are changing, but I

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have literally had clients come to me and say, look, I need better mental clarity.

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What can we do to get that?

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Like I need to, especially with the industry, I work quite a lot

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with information security and cyber security, so they need to be switched

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on to what the fuck's going on.

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Coming to me, I I need to be focusing better.

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I need to function better.

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Like I have this brain fog and I need to get rid of it.

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It's funny having those conversations, cuz people are almost coming for what

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the byproduct is that they don't usually.

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And that obviously the, the physical side of it and the change that is

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great, that comes alongside that.

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But they're now coming to me with, I want all these things that, that people

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don't know that they're gonna get.

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So I don't know, like I said, I don't know whether it's people are just

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changing or it's just because of it, the information that I've been put night.

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I would sit there and say the one thing that when COVID

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start, I, I was the gym rat man.

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So back going back into my early twenties, I was that dude working out

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with those body builder guys in the gym for three hours a night till I

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finally started getting old enough.

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I'm like, I gotta do some other things.

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We gotta cut these workout.

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We don't, I don't need to be in the gym for three hours a night.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I do I am not exaggerating when I say three hours a night because I

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distinctly remember the conversation with the guys going, I can't spend that

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much time in here anymore every night.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But when COVID started doing the gym build out at the house and

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the one thing that I always get.

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I've always said when you're working on a problem and you're stuck on

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something, go do something else.

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Yeah.

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Go take a walk, stop trying to force yourself to be creative, stop trying

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to force yourself to find a solution to problem, go do something else.

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And I have found since I've built the home gen out I keep a notebook down

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there because the most random thing that I'm not thinking about that

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I was thinking about two days ago

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that the, you it's

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Oh, Hey dummy.

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Why?

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Where was, yeah.

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Where was this today?

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Where was this?

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Two days ago.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But but you mentioned the cyber security professionals.

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So talk about how the weh helped the movement got started.

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What was the origin?

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Cause I'm trying to think of when I came into it and honestly, I can't.

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I can't remember exactly it's now it just feels like something that I do.

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I don't remember how I got started, how I, who I was connected to

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that initially started doing it.

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I'm like, oh, Hey, hold on

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a second.

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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The if we take it back to obviously me, me of fully transition it online and then,

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I'm I have no, I'm pretty open about this.

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Like I started coaching Dave and to me, Dave was just Dave.

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Like he contacted me through Facebook.

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It was just as if anybody else had contacted me.

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And then all of a sudden he's got fucking 150,000 followers on Twitter and he is

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this like fucking cybersecurity genius.

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I'm like, who are you really?

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What the fuck's going on here.

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And then from that, just him posting and his sort of success,

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like the, my client base in America grew and grew through people who

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are doing a similar sort of job.

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And I think again, the more I got into it, the more sort of patterns that I

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could see as to what people struggled with and they are all in the same industry.

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So they all have similar struggles in some sort of way.

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And I was like, we need to put this information out.

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We need to find a way to do this.

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And it was actually the Martin, the guy who I'm gonna say takes all my photos,

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but the guy, the photographer that I use quite often first of all, he said,

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you should start a YouTube channel.

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I was like, no, cause I wasn't the, why not?

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Didn't speak.

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I didn't, no, I will.

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I will.

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It's coming.

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It's coming.

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But I didn't like the, I don't like speaking.

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I didn't like speaking in front of camera.

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And I didn't like, cause there's a mic here.

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It would've freaked me out.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I could have a conversation with you all day long because

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there's a mic and it's recorded.

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And I would've been like, oh, I can't do that.

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And then I was just literally having a conversation with Dave one day and

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I was like, I thinking about starting a podcast, do you wanna do it with me?

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And I was like, he's too busy.

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Like you wanna do that?

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He was, I gotta be fucking honored.

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And I was like, holy shit, really?

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So then just it just came from there and then we started the podcast.

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I'm gonna say

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September, August of that September eptember August last

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year.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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September, August.

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And it's basically just gone from strength to strength.

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Obviously one thing I'm very grateful of is the presence that Dave has on Twitter

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and social media that's helped us, grow.

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And to me, one of the coolest things about it is, okay, yes, it's great.

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Getting someone on a six pack or whatever it is like I'm in a position.

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I, with the information that I'm at night and the audience and everything

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that sort of comes along with it, that I can actually help an entire industry,

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which is a unique position to be in.

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So I, I can actually help them with, being more productive at work or, living

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longer or handling their stress better or sleeping better or whatever it is.

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And it's a very unique position to be in.

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And to me it's something that came totally out of the blue for left Feland

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and it's something I really love doing.

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And it's actually quite good because.

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If I'm speaking to someone on the initial consultation

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call, they will have listened.

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Generally they will have listened to some episode of the podcast.

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So they already have a bit of an understanding this than me.

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And you don't have to have that awkward, initial conversation.

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And you mean like we did no, but not even even with that, because of the highest

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tag goes Twitter, like I already have it.

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I already know who you are.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Whereas before I click into it, and then you have this total stranger that

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doesn't know who I am or has never they've maybe read things that I have.

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Yes.

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They've never read.

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They've maybe read things that I have written, like when I used to

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post a lot on Instagram or whatever.

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But I think having heard someone's voice in how they actually are,

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is entirely different than reading something that they have written.

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And I think that absolutely it's helped me and my business massively in, in so

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many ways that I couldn't ever imagine.

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No, absolutely.

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And so a little bit of bad background I've been in tech.

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I did not know.

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I didn't know, Dave, I've never talked to Dave outside of me sending him stupid.

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Jifs on some of his posts on online.

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That's the extent of it.

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But I've been in, in tech and now ju just doing consulting and

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obviously doing this podcast here, but you're not, you're not wrong.

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Having been in the tech cyber security field for 20 plus years,

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it's not known for its physical wellbeing, world, what's the opposite.

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It's, Tito's a mountain, Cheeto's a mountain due by the case,

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man.

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But yeah, it's again, this is like it came about, it's already Egypt, but it's yeah.

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You know, It's it was almost like a.

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Dick measuring contest.

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For what of a better phrase as to, I thought

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you used that on another one

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Who stayed up the latest or who was the yes.

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The most drunk or, or whatever it is.

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And I'm like that, this is the literally the opposite of what you should be doing.

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And especially from a cognitive function and what they're actually managing and

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what they're actually trying to achieve.

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And I was like, we need to change this on a big scale.

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And actually one of the, one of the cool things that I've noticed recently is at

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the start, it was a lot of people who were coming to me and they were like,

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I've spent, 20 years of my focusing on my career and I haven't really

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focused on myself and I need to fix that because, okay, now I'm this super

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successful person in the business of the company or whatever, how long am I

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gonna live to be able to see this out?

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There's been a shift in terms of like younger people coming and being like,

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oh, I've heard you talk about this.

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And I've heard you talk about that.

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And I'm preempting that a little bit and I don't wanna have those health issues

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and I don't wanna have those injuries.

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So I want to get on the ball with things sooner rather than later,

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which is, has been a cool shift in.

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No, I, and that's, I'm trying to articulate.

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That's awesome.

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That's what I've seen.

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Cause back when I was younger, my whole thing was I wanna break

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the norm of what the traditional it person was thought of, yeah.

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And I and until I blew out my knee, the first time, I

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actually was pretty good at that.

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And I, I still see people now.

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As I've tried to, launch the podcast, as well as restructure the consulting

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and get relaunched from that as a new entity for myself or restructuring

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of the entity that I've got, I still have people come up to me now.

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And Hey man, how do you, how what's your Workday look like?

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And I said I'm usually up at five.

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I immediately start to go to work.

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I said, depending on when I get a big thing done is when I go.

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But I'm like toast by the time he gets eight o'clock at

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night, my wife makes fun of me.

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She's like you shouldn, start your nights.

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I said, I started my nights before at 10.

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Yeah.

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I said, I'm in, I'm ready to go lay down at eight o'clock and then I

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hear people going, oh, I do both.

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I get up at five and I stay up until midnight.

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You're an idiot.

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Yeah, that's not gonna last forever.

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That's not gonna last long.

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And quite frankly, I don't even know if I believe whatever the hell you're

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talking about, to be honest with you.

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But I have that happen probably about once a week where somebody says

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some stupid stuff like that for me.

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So that's the reason why I think I really, I like the movement because it's

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putting spotlight on a, it' weird to say a specific industry of people that are

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not Chi known for health and wellbeing.

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And when you're talking about cyber security in, particularly in this

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day and age, you're always on.

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So happy.

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I don't do any hands on stuff anymore.

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Because that's, it's funny.

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It's funny because uh, obviously with things start, do open up,

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like I've been meeting people that I haven't seen in a while.

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And one guy that I work with is a videographer and he was just this

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is where the YouTube thing came about, but he was like talking about

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VLO and what that should look like.

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And he was like the last time that we shot a video, you're in the gym floor

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and we did this thing and it was the majority females and it was all everybody

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looking pretty and whatever else.

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And then , he was like, what are you up to now?

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And I was like, I work with majority hackers.

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And he was like, what I was like, yeah.

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And told him the whole story.

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And he was like, and I was like, I don't know why, but it's it's far beyond the

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thing that I like about it the most is what I can give back to these guys.

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And girls is health and years on their life?

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Yes.

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Like it's not necessarily, you want the small waste and the big

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bomber drop a dress size or some fucking superficial bullshit.

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It's we can actually, help you live better for longer.

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In terms of even not even talking about their career and their, how

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they're able to function at work, like genuinely improve people's blood work.

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Like I've had clients come to me and they'd be like, my doctor

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actually couldn't believe the improvements in my blood work.

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From the last time I did nine, he was like, he was asking me what I was doing.

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He said, just fucking keep doing what you're doing.

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And I'm like, that to me is cool because that's beyond physical change.

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That's a, number one, something that people generally wouldn't look at, but

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number two, something that will literally allow you to live longer for your family.

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It's just a great P.

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How hard

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is it to, this is something I've thought about.

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Luckily, my wife is she runs, she uses the gym and stuff like

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that with some of the clients.

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Do you, do

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you get them to turn it into a family affair?

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Cause I know change for one can rub off on the other one

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or calls resistance in inside.

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If not everybody's on the same page.

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Yeah.

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Again, it depends on the person too.

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It depends on their dynamic, more than anything.

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But generally I find that if the partner is supportive,

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the journey is much smoother.

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Let's say if they're not and they're like, I'm trying to have my.

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To male and there, having fucking tips, it's difficult.

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Whereas if they have a, if they have a bit of an understanding

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of it and they're like, okay, I respect what you're trying to do.

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And I understand it then it's much easier.

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And some people, I'll get a message being like, oh, my wife wants

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to know, do you coach females?

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I was like, the majority of my career, I've coached females.

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And then, you're coaching both of them, which is always an

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interest in insight and dynamic.

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But yeah it depends on the person, but I definitely have noticed over the years

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that if the partner is on board with things, the whole process is much bigger.

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Gotcha.

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Do you find

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that again, I don't, this is something I used to see in when

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I was going to the gym, let's say like I did for 20, some odd years.

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It seemed to me that the coaches that were working with other people They weren't

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in my mind, you got a ramp up period.

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You got that learning period where you're not gonna push somebody overly

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hard, cuz you don't wanna get somebody.

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So sore.

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So exhausted.

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So freaking tired.

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It's oh my God, I don't ever want to do that ever freaking again.

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Yeah.

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But I would repeatedly see what I considered to be the exact opposite

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of that where it's like, they weren't even pushing 'em at all.

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And then they'd go take up like cap.

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My thing was they were taking up the machines for freaking 30 minutes cause

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they weren't really pushing the clients.

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Yeah.

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Is that, how can you gauge level of effort with some of that stuff to know that

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somebody is being online that they're putting in the right amount of exertion.

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Are you having them track.

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Reps and sets time and you going in really deep into that type of stuff, or how do

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you know they're exerting the correct

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amount?

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Yeah, so I'll, and this is stupid, cause

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this is completely outta order and I should

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probably, they just hit me in the head.

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That's okay.

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That's fine.

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That's fine.

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I know.

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Don't worry.

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I know how it goes.

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Like we talk in circles.

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It's fine.

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Yeah.

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the so yes, it answered your question.

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The biggest challenge that I thought I would face whenever I move fully

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online is how can I try and give every single aspect of me being their

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studio side by side, being remote?

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Like how can I give everything that I can if I'm studio there beside, as employer,

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but doing it in a remote setting.

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And it just comes down to, to, to collection of data and things like that.

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So in terms of workouts, everybody has obviously they get delivered

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their plan and their workout.

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And we will look at, progression of, are you getting stronger?

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Are you doing more reps?

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What does that look like?

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Are you improving in terms of your cardio time or whatever it is but

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one big thing that I look at is.

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Get them to video some of their sets.

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So yes, in part I will do it from an exercise execution standpoint,

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but the other side is I'm like, I know where that is in your workout.

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If you're like fresh with your t-shirt all on and you're looking good.

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I'm like, you haven't given me enough up until that point and I haven't, I

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haven't actually disclosed that to any of them, but it gives me an insight

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as to what they're actually doing.

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And talk a lot about intensity when I'm on the group calls and things like that.

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And actually one of the main reasons of me traveling next week over to the guys is

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to show them what intensity in a workout should look like because I could program

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the same workout for 10 people and they would each perform in a different way.

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And I think that the intensity of the workout is something.

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Is difficult to teach unless you're visually showing them.

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And the way that I get around it is I talk about it a lot.

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I also show my own training.

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Not that they need to train at that capacity.

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And then obviously there's the sort of community internal competitiveness

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in everybody is to, they're putting in a chat like, oh, PB in this or PB.

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And that, and it's good because it'll drive the other people.

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They want to get onto it.

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But there's also a lot of support that goes in the group really

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fucking good job and they'll share their videos and whatever else.

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So again, where the community aspect comes into it.

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You ever have to kick anybody in the ass for not working out hard enough?

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yeah.

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Yeah, I have.

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I have, do you know what I, I can.

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I like people to think that they can come with any sort of problem.

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But at the same time, I don't like to think that they

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can get away with anything.

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Yes.

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I understand that everybody's human and they'll make mistakes and they'll

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forget things and whatever else, but I'm not here to be a babysitter.

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Like I'm not here to just baby you through the process.

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If I don't think you're pulling your wet.

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Literally I will, I'm happy to call people out because at the end of the

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day, you're talking about the people on the gym floor that are they, and

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I've seen this before in the gym floor.

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It's almost that they see the less that they push them the longer that they

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will coach them, if that makes sense.

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Which I guess is a smart business model.

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But for me, I'm quite open with people in the initial conversation.

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And I was like, it's my job to educate you to the point that you longer

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need to work with me, which yes is a fucking ridiculous business model.

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But the biggest thing that I think's missing from the internet and the

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fitness injury whole is in education as to, okay, 10 years down the line.

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Can I still do the things that you're prescribing me to do now, or how

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many different phases of things that we need to go through so that you'd

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know everything that you need to know long beyond our coaching relat.

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Debt

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no, I just lost the train of thought.

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The question I had, I should have really down.

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Sometimes I write it.

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I write that down in there.

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All right.

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If that comes back to me, I'll just shoot that to you.

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Shoot it

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later.

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I'm gonna ask, I've got two questions.

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So like I said, I've been in this kind of the fitness realm for a long time,

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but I've never been able to get a a clear answer on one particular question.

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Anyway.

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How do you know the difference when your body really needs a break versus

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your mind telling, versus that moment of weakness where your mind says ah,

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I just don't feel like doing it today.

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Cause I know that is something over the years that I've

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struggled with going, okay.

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Maybe I'm reaching a point of legitimately over training.

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If I showed you some workout logs and then waking up going,

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I can't do this today versus.

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Hey, woo.

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Go freaking put on your shoes, go get your wrist, rafts.

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Let's freaking go.

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How what's the best way to identify the difference of that?

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So you're not injuring yourself.

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I would say that.

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If we think about actual overtraining for general population,

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they're not gonna reach that.

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You need to be at a certain level, you need to be able to train at a certain

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level and you need to have put the literal reps in to actually be able

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to take your body to that intensity, to the place of actually overtraining.

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So 95 times out of a hundred, if someone thinks they're over

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training, they probably not.

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I'm not saying it's not a thing, and I'm not saying that people can't get

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there, but you need to be seriously fucking put into your body through

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hell to actually tick you to your point of overtraining my old workouts.

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don't I don't fancy.

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But I guess this is where it comes down to being in tune with your body.

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And again, to take it back to what I the best thing that I have from

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my own perspective for training and nutrition is an understand of my

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body, what it needs when it needs it, what to strip back when I need

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to, what to push whenever I need to.

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And that has literally just come down to.

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The past eight years of my training and understanding I'm

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working with different coaches.

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So it's always something that I want to give back to the

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client, is that understanding.

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So if I'm looking at their check in sheet and they're telling me that they're not

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recovering, or they're not sleeping, or they're not hungry, or they're, they're

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just not motivated to train or they're not progressing in terms of their workout.

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And then I look at the numbers in terms of, okay, hits our vs down heart down

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or rest heartbeats up, or, you're not actually sleeping, then it's okay, maybe

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we need to actually, pull things back here for a week and try and go again.

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Do we just take three or four days off and do deal with that way?

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Or do we just pull it back that you do the same amount of work, but

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you just do it at less capacity.

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And it just comes down to data management, which it's funny because

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this is how I worked before I worked with the people that I worked with.

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And if I talk about data and analytics, they're like fucking eyes light up.

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I fucking love data.

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Like I'm tracking data all day long, so right.

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It's just it's one thing that they actually just put back to me.

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It's you.

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The hackers and the information security, like they spent their life hacking

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all these different things, but never actually understood hacking themselves.

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And whenever you give them data, it's funny because I'll start with an amount

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of, this is what your check-in sheet looks like, and this is what we do.

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And then they come back, like, how did this into my check-in sheet?

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And I pull the data and I now look at it on a monthly basis.

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And I now look for trends and I'm like, this is what it's all about.

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It's like, how can we take the information that we have find out what

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the good days of the good weeks are, and then replicate them to improve on.

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And it's just about having the data and information.

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No.

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Totally agree.

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As long as you don't get an analysis by

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paralysis or paralysis, exactly.

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Analysis that I, but I think that's, I think that's a good, that's why

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it's good to have a second set of.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That's why it's good to have someone else look at it because

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you can look at it yourself and you can get too caught up in it.

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Whereas I can look at it from my perspective and I'll pull up

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your checking sheet and I can rationalize it a bit for you.

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You're like, oh that makes sense.

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That goes right back into why I'll make an argument for even a business

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going, why you need a consultant for instance, you're a coach.

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It's hold on.

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I'm not beholden to your internal politics, your internal beliefs.

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I'm here to give you an objective thing.

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And if you think that my opinion has value because of previous

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experience or results somewhere else, you're gonna fricking listen to me.

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and if you don't too many times I probably don't wanna work with yet.

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yeah.

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What's the point of, and that's exactly it.

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Yeah.

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So

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wrap up with, did that answer your question?

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Did that answer your question?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's alright.

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Cause you said you hadn't been able to get an answer

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thought.

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Oh, that was the one.

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Yeah, because I, and I don't disagree.

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I don't disagree with you saying that most people won't get there.

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I would say I would follow up probably again, you can take me in my word

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for it or say I'm full of crap.

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No, I believe, I know.

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I know legitimately I have done that, through training programs

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before doing either repositions.

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And really, arms, I can't lift my arms over my head.

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I can barely close my hands to make a fist.

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I have been there more times than I can count over the years.

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Not recently.

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I, it's probably been two, two and a half years since I've been

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at that point because I just keep going in and out of this stupid.

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I'm no kidding.

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I'm hurting myself in my sleep is what's happening.

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The reason my, my I've had sleep studies done.

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Okay.

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My watch, my apple watch will sit there and say in my sleep

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that I have walked 200 steps.

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50 steps, a hundred steps.

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And when a sleep study, because I'm mentally subconscious of being hooked up

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to all the wires, I'm not moving at all.

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Okay.

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So they're like, we can't find anything wrong and then I'm coming back and

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I'm all twisted up like a pretzel and doing all kinds of stuff and waking up.

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And both of my Le arms are numb.

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So that's some weird nonsense that I'm going through.

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That puts me into that orthopedics, either wet dream client or nightmare, depending

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on . But depending a very good friend.

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That's an orthopedic PA over the years.

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Okay.

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And they, it's bad when you walk into the doctor's office and the receptionist

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goes, Hey, John, how you doing?

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I've been here too many

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times.

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Yeah.

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You've been there probably a few too many times of which I can sit there

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and legitimately say some stuff was, and other things are mystery injuries.

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If you could wrap it up with this, if there's something, again, you're.

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You're in a highly competitive market space.

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There's lots of people out there and there's lots of people coming

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in with a lot of preconceptions that we've talked about, at Naum here.

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If you could wave a magic wand and make something go away to make

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your life better, when they come to you, what would that probably be

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dad culture?

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Because again, it depends, but the diet culture becomes almost like a cult.

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So people who do keto will, they'll be like, it's the only way or

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people who do intermittent fast.

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And it's the only way.

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And while I will bash these diets and I'll make fun of keto and

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whatever else, it's the lack of education that comes with them.

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So it's okay, wait you just want to eat protein and fat,

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but why are you doing that?

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What's the actual purpose of doing that.

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And I think that, that culture as a whole is.

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Really messing up people's relationship with food, like really messing

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people's relationship with food.

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And I agree.

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That's where the biggest challenge comes that, people come and be like,

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oh, but I can't eat carbs because, I saw my mom do this that 50 years ago.

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And I'm like, fuck now, like where do we even begin with this one?

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But it's.

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The, yeah it's just that people believe that this is the way.

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And the thing that I say about it is it's everybody who says this is

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right and wrong because, keto might be the best thing for that one person.

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And they have lost a hundred pounds and they feel great.

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And everything that comes along with, see 'em in fast and see 'em if any debt,

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but doesn't mean it's gonna work for me.

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And that's, people will have a conversation and be like, oh

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yeah, you wanna lose weight?

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Okay.

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I did ketos.

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This is what you need to do.

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And it's no, it doesn't really work like that.

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It's understand what's going on.

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What's going on with you and how you can build something out that will

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allow you to have sustainable weight loss or muscle gain or whatever it is.

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And I think if I could get rid of data culture, it would, it would save me a lot

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of time but it would say if it genuinely, I think it is, it's one of the biggest

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issues that people face, cuz they just are so lost in what to do because they

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will read one article and they'll read the next one that tells 'em the opposite

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and they'll read the next one that tells 'em something totally different.

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Again, they.

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What hi, can I process and how can I get this?

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And the thing about it is all of them have some good points.

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For myself sometimes I'll use fasting because, if I related it back to when

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I was on the gym floor, if I had a heavy morning of clients and I was

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working, say 6:00 AM the 1:00 PM.

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If I didn't need in the morning, I was fine the whole way through.

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But if I had my breakfast, at 5:00 AM, by nine o'clock, I was

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starving and I was pissed off.

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So I would've used intermittent Fasten.

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I didn't run by telling everybody I was doing Indi MIT

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Fasten and the same with, keto.

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My first, generally my first two meals of the day will be high protein and high

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fats because cognitively I feel better.

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I don'm run by town people, I keto, but I've taken bits from each one to

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build out something that's for me.

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So I think if I could get rid of one thing, it would be diet culture.

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Cause is shit.

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Back in the days of me not looking like I ate a tub of Oreos I would get that

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and I would see that people do the same thing and not make any progress at all.

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They would sit there and think that, oh, I'm doing intermittent fasting.

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I can legitimately eat anything I want in whatever window they set,

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whether it was eight hours, four hours,

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an hour, if you want to eat, you can still eat fucking 5,000 calories.

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It doesn't take long for that stuff to, to, to add up or the ones.

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I actually had that conversation recently.

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I can't have any carbs because of.

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Dude that doesn't, it doesn't work that way.

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I thought you're eating a tub of butter in three packs of baking.

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Give me a break, dude.

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You just ate 4,000 calories.

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Some,

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some of the things that people say and they're like, even if you go down to,

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I guess you guys have brother, like sliming word and weight Watchers and

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stuff like that, they're like, yeah.

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Oh no, I can eat a bowl of fruit, but I can't have it blended.

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And I'm like, what the fuck?

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Like I can't have a smoothie, but I can eat all of the fruits

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that I would put in the smoothie.

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Yep.

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Separately or oh yeah.

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I can eat unlimited pasta and I can eat unlimited potatoes, but I

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can only eat, half of a Fredo bar.

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And I'm like, , if you tell me I can eat unlimited pasta, C's accepted.

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You're about to see some shit good on here.

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I'm not gonna lose any wit I'm gonna eat a lot of pasta.

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You know what I mean?

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It's just the stupid rules that people live in day.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I did that.

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I

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just approve a point cuz I, I usually fall into the calories and calories out, if it

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fits your macros type of thing, as long as I hit the the protein number, I personally

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don't really give a crap how the other stuff typically splits out, per se.

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Yeah.

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That's just me.

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I found out having done my yo-yoing through the years.

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, that's what it works.

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But to prove a point to somebody I was down I was down calories for the day

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and I freaking ate two Hershey bars.

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I wake up and I'm a pound and a half down the next day.

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Yeah.

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You can't do that every day.

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It just it fit the bank account of numbers that I was allotted.

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Yeah.

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For that day.

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So anyway, that's my own.

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How I, yeah, I think, and again, you've worked that out for yourself.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And okay.

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Yes.

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Nine times outta 10 calories in versus calories.

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I will work for some people, but the, that 10% of people that doesn't work

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for, then they start to believe that.

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There's something wrong with them.

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And then they need to get down the rabbit hole of bad culture and whatever else.

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And we actually did a podcast, not recently of when

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calories in versus calories.

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It doesn't work.

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Because again, I didn't wanna misinformed people of this is the way to do it.

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Just eat less than.

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Your body expands.

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And then they're like it doesn't work for me.

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So I needed to give, I needed to give I guess a broad caveat to that as well.

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, it's tough.

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It's tough because I'm very I guess I have a, quite a strong opinion on a lot

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of things in terms of the industry as a whole, but I also wanna contradict myself

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in a lot of things because then people will start bringing which sky doesn't

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fucking know what he's talking about.

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Hey you talk long

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enough on the internet.

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At some point you're gonna you're gonna say something.

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And I was like, hold on, three years ago.

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yeah, three years ago, I read a post that you wrote on somebody else's

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Facebook page and you said, and this is the opposite of I'm gonna be Eric.

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Then if you have the time to, to go through research that and go back up.

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Fair enough.

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Oh, it's the internet.

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They

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have the time.

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true.

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True, man.

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This is, this has been awesome.

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Best place for people to reach out to you.

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The website.

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No, the website's shit if you wanna book, if you wanna book a

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call with me the best place to

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book a call

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is the website.

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Yes.

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The best place to book call you.

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See that and.

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BC training the best place probably to find me now is

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Twitter just at Ben canyoning 87.

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It's a strange place that I find myself in, but even like Instagram

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and stuff, like I don't really use as much anymore just because

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of the people that I work with.

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So get me on Twitter.

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If you wanna book a call bc.training website and I'm gladly speak to you.

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That's awesome.

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And I will say just people part, just be part to fill out

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a really extensive question.

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It's good.

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Friction.

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No, and I agree until the, we ha hashtag we have health.

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I do recommend if you're looking for a community, a nonjudgmental, just, whatever

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fits what you're doing, post up there, use that hashtag follow that hashtag.

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And to be honest with you, I really didn't screw around with Twitter

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that much until I started doing that.

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Now it's.

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I'm on it all the time.

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Thank you for that,

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by the way.

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You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

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No, again I don't think I had tweeted since 2014 and then Dave was

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like, oh, you need go on Twitter.

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I was like, really?

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Do people still use that?

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And I'm like, now I'm on it all the time.

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Yeah, it's actually cool.

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Cuz I mean it's a shit show in some ways, but it's cool.

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School space.

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I'm definitely, the, we hack health, hashtag people, some

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people are doing really cool shit.

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And even in the discord, like the discords growing and growing every single day,

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every single week so it's cool to see the support that comes far beyond just me.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's cool to see that.

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Building community.

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That's, you know what this is about having average, me

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being able to reach out to you.

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I'll be honest with you.

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I wouldn't know who you were until this was, I don't know that our

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paths would've ever would've crossed.

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Maybe, probably, maybe

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not.

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I don't know, but now they have, and here we are, and we've recorded an R of

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conversation that the world can listen to.

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Exactly what great, what a great time.

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And

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then they ban me from Twitter.

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I've never been allowed to record a podcast since

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I revoked my license, man.

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Appreciate it.

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This has been awesome.

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Yeah.

About the Podcast

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The Business Samurai
Skills and Stories to be a Well-Rounded Leader in Business

About your host

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John Barker

20+ years of technology, cybersecurity, and project management experience. Improving business operations to create a culture of better cybersecurity and technology practices. John is the Founder of Barker Management Consulting and the creator of the Business Samurai Program.

MBA, PMP, CISSP